Another nurse (NZ) suspended for challenging gender affirmative care

[DameMaud]

Jennifer Scott, registered nurse from New Zealand gives a presentation to educate on puberty blockers whilst under suspension for her beliefs.
Not seen anything else on here about her. Looks to be very recent (Sept 22)

Warning. Some graphic surgery images in her presentation.
She is pretty thorough

Doesn’t surprise me, NZ is completely insane on this issue.

I've liked and subscribed as I think she needs more support/ views

I remember watching the conversion therapy ban submissions on YouTube and shouting at the screen!
It really is barmy.
Assuming you are there@WahineToa ?
Sorry it's so bad.
That makes Jennifer Scott particularly brave for going out on a limb I think

Support from terf island. We've got this and it will trickle down to you. We WILL WIN.

For those who are unfamiliar with the New Zealand media landscape, the reference to her conducting an interview with Counterspin Media is evidence - in itself - that Jennifer Scott needs to prevented from working in the healthcare system.

Counterspin media is the New Zealand equivalent to Infowars. It employs
far right agitators such as Kelvyn Alps (who was recently arrested for
distributing copies of the Christchurch Mosque shooting video), is streamed on the Steve Bannon owned GTV platform, and specialises in conspiracy theories and other nonsense such as climate change denial, covid vaccines being a tool for
conducting genocide, and the UN taking over the world to establish a one world
government.

I have no doubt that this video will be gleefully received by those who consume their media without stopping to question where it comes from.

When the mainstream media won't allow push back against dangerous ideology, whistle blowers are left with few alternatives to get their message out. People are interested in the content, not the delivery mechanism.

Purity spirals don't work here.

So ignore the message (regardless of its legitimacy and accuracy) because of the means/method/organisation by which it is broadcast?

That is complete bullshit - and anyone with the slightest critical thinking capacity knows it.

The linked video is hosted on Jennifer
Scott’s personal YouTube account. She is not being blocked from spreading her views.

She is however choosing to partner with Counterspin Media … a legitimately horrifying media outlet that actively spreads disinformation and conspiracy theories.

Her willingness to join forces with Counterspin Media is distasteful and repugnant.

You don't have to delve too deep on Jennifer Scott's fb page to find the crazy. She actually lost her job last year due to the vaccine mandate (she is a rabid anti-vaxxer).

Agree with @landOFconfusion, her association with Counterspin Media is of concern. I don't think she should be given any airtime here.

So LandOfConfusion and MauisLeftNipple are we supposed to disregard what she has to say?

Is it like PosiePatker situation where we're supposed to disregard what she has to say because she's been on Fox?

As a person who isn't Catholic and who is not (by a long shot) a fan of the church am I supposed to disregard Caroline Farrow because she's Catholic and holds views I wholeheartedly disagree with?

Do you believe that we can fundamentally disagree on certain topics and agree on others? Or am I tainted if I support someone - on one issue - who I think has repugnant ideas on an other?

And does this change when someone is made a persona non grata due to our agreeing ideas not being the mainstream narrative?

I haven't watched this video yet. Should I not because it will mean I support the racist, xenophobic killer?

If some people are delegitimised by their appearance on certain channels, are they delegitimised by their appearance on others? If the NZ nurse appeared on BBC R4's Today programme at the 8am slot just after the needs (the main slot) for an interview, would that turn things around?

I'm genuinely wondering btw - and realise I may sound disingenuous, but I'm not - because on threads like this it becomes an issue where I don't see a way out?

Relating it to this thread in particular, to not derail, are you suggesting that we shouldn't listen to the NZ nurse? If not, what or who should I watch/listen to from NZ, instead of this video, that is from a "safe" source and has the same info?

The mainstream media's behaviour has been distasteful,
repugnant, rabid, crazy and worse when it comes to gender ideology.

If scepticism towards the media outlet or the person disseminating information encourages a viewer to look further and check with other sources, so much the better.

Trying to suppress this woman's views is repugnant under the circumstances. She's trying to inform the public of institutional abuse.

This ‘nurse’ believes that covid vaccines are part of a global conspiracy to poison their recipients, lost her job in the NZ public health system for refusing to receive a covid vaccination after it was made compulsory for front-line health workers, had her practising certificate suspended by the Nursing Council for running a social media campaign against the NZ covid vaccination program, and attended a violent protest that illegally occupied the NZ Parliamentary precinct earlier this year.

Please don’t amplify her voice. You don’t have to live here and deal with the consequences of giving exposure to idiots.

Please don’t amplify her voice. You don’t have to live here and deal with the consequences of giving exposure to idiots.

Well said!!!

I suspect that many will simply go and watch the YouTube link and discuss the content on its merits despite any pressure not to.

Regular users on this board are getting pretty tired of attempts to direct who we should and shouldn’t listen to. The background information is appreciated , but not the directive to not give ‘air time’.

Particularly after the last few weeks here in the UK.

The absolute stupidity of dismissing what someone says because of the platform or who they ‘partner with’. Respectable media platforms would include BBC, who covered up a rampant pedophile. Is anyone who appears on their channel in agreement or condoning what they did with regards to Savile? Being on twitter, does that mean you support a pedophiles right to discuss their attractions publicly on that platform? Because the T & Cs of Twitter with regards to ‘minor attracted persons’ is pretty grim.

as for refusing a covid vaccine, the UK tried to force that on health care workers and public backlash ( and losing thousands of care workers when they did it to them ) prevented it. I don’t believe anyone should be forced to take it and completely and utterly disagree with any country that implements that policy. especially when it disproportionately affects and criminalises Maori. Thankfully people in UK push back a lot more when it comes to their freedom than kiwis do. It has literally nothing to do with anyones views on biological sex and the importance of acknowledging it for the safety of girls and women. Who NZ as a society has never cared a whole lot about, we have the highest rate of domestic violence in the developed world. So bad that rugby players don’t even get convicted when they do it in the street with witnesses! Darling kind Jacinda went and partied with the All Blacks at the World Cup, despite the fact a domestic abuser was amongst them having committed a horrible act of violence months earlier. Nobody cared about purity then did they? Should we assume everyone who supports the all blacks, and that’s a lot of kiwis, go round beating their wives, girlfriends and kids??

I mean if we want to start making judgements on New Zealand and who is and isn’t pure enough to listen to, let’s have it. Because you don’t be left with many options, trust me.

Please don’t amplify her voice. You don’t have to live here and deal with the consequences of giving exposure to idiots.

you already have that in abundance, clearly as self ID is law and media like Stuff are fully onboard with the idiocy of TWAW and will lie and distort stories to support that.

attended a violent protest that illegally occupied the NZ Parliamentary precinct earlier this year.

oh wow, oh now you’re talking about the protest against mandatory covid vaccines for everyone? Claiming the protest itself was violent. You know that was claimed when we occupied Pakaitore, the media you accept was disgustingly racist to us and printed lie after lie, it’s claimed for most Maori protests against land confiscations… protesting is the right of every citizen in a free country. Which NZ doesn’t appear to be any longer. What exactly does attending that protest have to do with this woman’s gender critical beliefs?

The protests were extremely violent. The protestors set their tents on fire, burned down a children’s playground, attacked the Police and defaced the national cenotaph.

All of this is well documented. The parliamentary protestors showed to the world that they have no mana, they only have whakamā.

www.theguardian.com/world/2022/mar/03/this-is-a-moment-new-zealand-reckons-with-aftermath-as-smoke-clears-on-violent-protests

What the fuck does any of that have to do with the issue of self ID or puberty blockers? Not that I would ever believe the account of anyone writing for the guardian. Like I said, every protest I’ve been to for Maori rights has been described as violent when, having actually been there, it wasn’t. The protests were escalated due to the behaviour of Mallard and the response to them initially was really bad. Nobody would talk to them at all. Your position seems to support mandatory vaccination and anyone opposed must be mental.

are you Maori then? Have you ever been to a land protest yourself? What was media response?

You’ve already been told purity spirals won’t work here. Nobody really cares what she thinks on other issues, it won’t result in dismissal of her views here on this topic.

The video goes into puberty blockers. Care to discuss the actual topic of her video anyone? I have a friend in NZ who allowed her female kid to take blockers at 14. The child is very neglected and confused, taken from my friend when she was younger and later ended up living with her again. The child is unhappy but suddenly got lots of attention from her mum when she transitioned. I think this ex nurse is very brave for discussing it in a country like NZ where you can’t question the ‘one source of truth’ ( the government ).

Nobody really cares what she thinks on other issues, it won’t result in dismissal of her views here on this topic.

Well. What I meant in my specific post was that her views will be considered but that the discussion will happen. People will watch and judge for themselves. That directives to not discuss it rarely work and often will backfire.

Please don’t amplify her voice. You don’t have to live here and deal with the consequences of giving exposure to idiots.

She's drawing attention to serious abuse of vulnerable people, some of them minors, by the medical profession. People in positions of power cheer on that kind of abuse, calling it "gender-affirmative care". Members of the public swallow it. And you think she's the idiot here?

WahineToa. My ‘position’ is that nurses that believe Covid vaccinations are part of a global conspiracy to poison people have demonstrated that:

1. They are neither suitable or capable of working as a healthcare professional.
2. Their opinions are uninformed, unscientific, and idiotic.
3. They do not deserve to have the voices and opinions amplified.

Yet she’s right about puberty blockers.

Funny how grown ups can have a discussion about nuance, isn’t it?