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Mermaids being investigated by the Charity Commission - thread 2

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ResisterRex · 06/10/2022 05:55

The first thread, towards the end of which there was a discussion about having a second thread but it wasn't added:

Mermaids being investigated by the charity commission
http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4644323-mermaids-being-investigated-by-the-charity-commissionn_

There's been a new development so maybe a second thread would be useful:

Lottery pauses trans charity cash during investigation

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/c959a286-44e4-11ed-8885-043c27446b97?shareToken=6d482edb1a386656502f33453da5c230

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ResisterRex · 14/10/2022 21:39

I'm purposely not on Instagram so I didn't know that, @ArabellaScott 😖

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TheClogLady · 14/10/2022 21:41

Here’s a small selection - I made the screen shots between my last post and this one:

TheClogLady · 14/10/2022 21:44

A few more…

RedToothBrush · 14/10/2022 21:45

Birdsweepsin · 14/10/2022 19:31

I'll be honest, I wasn't expecting the TRA fightback to be: circulating these images without their creators' consent is revenge porn

twitter.com/MxAshleighLoeb/status/1580271163711770624?s=20&t=rmkBfcSGNDiZ-O8dSJp6WA

TRAs have a lot to learn about the 'in the public interest' concept. Especially when it come to media Inc social media.

It doesn't remotely wash even if they had a point to begin with.

ResisterRex · 14/10/2022 21:50

JFC. Those pictures and tags! The coroner's verdict and recommendations today about algorithms, and children and access to SM, refer (IMO)

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TheClogLady · 14/10/2022 21:54

I don’t even know what this last thing is… horror nun maybe? The Caption calls it ‘Brother Bimbo’ and another associated character is called ‘Shady Lady’ and they are both from ‘The Order of Perpetual Indulgence’

The text based screenshot is something Mermaids self-published.

How can they claim their service users are super mature compared to non-trans kids and know their gender identity from the age of 3 and never regret transition and can totally give consent to life altering medical and surgical interventions when the exact same kids are directly telling Mermaids that they are worried about not coping once the NHS deems them to be adults and their parents are no longer scaffolding them?

Mermaids being investigated by the Charity Commission - thread 2
Mermaids being investigated by the Charity Commission - thread 2
ArabellaScott · 14/10/2022 22:09

Ah, they do a fair amount of activism. Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence. Sex positive, queer stuff. Used to be more gay rights/gay men, as far as I understand it. Derek Jarman was involved, and some in the US, too.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sisters_of_Perpetual_Indulgence

TheClogLady · 14/10/2022 23:18

ArabellaScott · 14/10/2022 22:09

Ah, they do a fair amount of activism. Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence. Sex positive, queer stuff. Used to be more gay rights/gay men, as far as I understand it. Derek Jarman was involved, and some in the US, too.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sisters_of_Perpetual_Indulgence

They sound cool! But still not suitable for a tagging on children’s charity social media account.

ArabellaScott · 14/10/2022 23:23

Unsuitable by definition, really.

Birdsweepsin · 15/10/2022 06:48

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11317715/Transgender-childrens-charity-Mermaids-makes-140-000-training-schools-NHS-services.html

This is making me think Mermaids was, at least, really good at something...

ResisterRex · 15/10/2022 07:08

From that Mail article, it sounds like the Children in Need money has ended, if it was from 2016 for three years. I think they need to be thinking hard about who they're still funding, where those groups push the models of affirmation and self-ID which are contrary to child safety and to the safety of the public.

Elsewhere, I see Mermaids is still insisting they are the victims:

"A spokesman for Mermaids said the charity continues to provide ‘crucial support’ and dismissed the recent allegations as an ‘attack’."

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ResisterRex · 15/10/2022 07:18

Another piece in the Mail - a special investigation. It includes an insight into a family's life, whose daughter wears a binder she got in an unmarked package through the post, and covers others groups that send them out as well as Mermaids. The mum complained to the Charity Commission about Mermaids. The mum says the daughter never seems happy, there is no "euphoria", as Mermaids say.

It also includes quotes from James Esses and a GP whose said binders are self-harm, as well as Stephanie Davies-Arai

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11317505/How-charity-send-breast-binders-children-parents-backs.html

"Mermaids is far from the only organisation or shopping outlet providing them, many without age restrictions or parental supervision. In August, for instance, a group calling itself G(end)er Swap CIC advertised a free binder give-away at an open house on a Saturday afternoon in an LGBTIQ+ Centre in South-East London. It said on Twitter: ‘FREE BINDERS available… grab a hot drink, get sizing assistance? Find the community too.’

A trans support group in the North-West of England called MORF, run by volunteers, offers a binder exchange scheme asking trans men who have ‘recently had top surgery’ (mastectomies) to donate their no-longer-needed garment to others.

On the internet, it said to its followers wanting binders: ‘This is a free scheme, all you pay is the postage. We have so far redistributed over 150 binders and we want to continue giving out as many as possible.’

Both G(end)er Swap CIC and MORF’s websites give advice on how to use binders ‘safely’. MORF warns that binders should not be worn for more than eight hours; nor should one sleep in them. It says that unsafe binding can lead to nerve damage, blisters, cracked ribs and breathing difficulties.

Mermaids also offers similar safety advice on its website. In a statement, it said that binding helped some of those experiencing dysphoria to alleviate their distress. ‘We take a harm-reduction position… providing a young person with a binder alongside comprehensive safety guidelines from an experienced member of staff is preferable to the likely alternative of unsafe practices… or increasing dysphoria.’

Yet, safety guidelines do not exist everywhere. The Mail was easily able to buy a binder, costing less than £10, through the post with no questions asked about the age of the purchaser.

It arrived within 24 hours in a plain brown parcel after it was ordered via Amazon from a transgender internet shopping site."

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WarriorN · 15/10/2022 09:19

JFC. Those pictures and tags! The coroner's verdict and recommendations today about algorithms, and children and access to SM, refer (IMO)

SM seems to be the main way kids access GI.

Flicking through twitter and I just saw an exchange between shape shifter (a detransed male) and a man who treats sex offenders about anime. Who says many of his offenders deliberately use anime to groom.

I seem to remember David challenor had a Baloo anime cartoon character?

Mermaids being investigated by the Charity Commission - thread 2
Mermaids being investigated by the Charity Commission - thread 2
WarriorN · 15/10/2022 09:19

He was certainly into furries

ArabellaScott · 15/10/2022 09:19

The DMs reporting on this is consistent and factual. How long will the investigations take?

ArabellaScott · 15/10/2022 09:21

WarriorN · 15/10/2022 09:19

He was certainly into furries

Much of the Challenor stuff involved furries. And paedophilia.

ResisterRex · 15/10/2022 09:24

If journos are reading, furries and "ABDL" (I believe) will provide you with copy. As well as some public information about a conviction to do with the aforementioned.

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WarriorN · 15/10/2022 09:38

Ridiculous amounts of concerning ABDL on Etsy and yet feminists get banned. Yet it often pops up next to items for babies and toddlers.

Furries a big part of pride.

The normalisation of fetish is growing and it's notable how it gathers around childrens charities for "identity and sexuality."

ArabellaScott · 15/10/2022 10:52

Lots of info on Graham Linehan's post about Challenor (all the content warnings - abuse, furries, etc):

grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/ashton-challenor-the-boy-who-disappeared

Smilelesstalkmore · 15/10/2022 11:08

ArabellaScott · 14/10/2022 22:09

Ah, they do a fair amount of activism. Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence. Sex positive, queer stuff. Used to be more gay rights/gay men, as far as I understand it. Derek Jarman was involved, and some in the US, too.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sisters_of_Perpetual_Indulgence

Derek Jarman is the friend of Peter Tatchell who had a sexual relationship with an adult man when he was 9 years old, and was apparently totally fine with it as an adult.

ArabellaScott · 15/10/2022 11:16

Ah. Well, that makes my skin crawl.

ArabellaScott · 15/10/2022 11:16

Strange idea of what 'consent' constitutes there. No nine year old can 'consent' to sex, it's an utterly abhorrent and fucking craven thing to suggest they can.

TheClogLady · 15/10/2022 11:20

Jesus fucking Christ!

That’s some seriously effective grooming.

I knew a girl who really thought she had consented to a sexual relationship with a man who ran the niche sports youth association she participated in as a young teen.
He’d groomed her so effectively she, at 30, needed her female peers to point out that of course she hadn’t ‘led him on’ and of course she wasn’t obliged to keep it secret because ‘if his wife left [she’d] be the one who’d destroyed his marriage’. She was 13 and he had daughters her age!

17 years of blaming herself for ‘nearly ruining his life by tempting him into an affair’, until three female friends said, ‘Mate, you feel like shit about this because you were the victim of a child sex abuser, not because you were the other woman’. He’d even made friends with her dad to get more unsupervised access to her! Classic predator stuff.

Completely fucks with a kids/teens perception of normality/reality 😢

ArabellaScott · 15/10/2022 11:26

Yes. But you can also very easily understand how it's less devastating to think that you were 'fine with it' than to acknowledge you were abused.

ArabellaScott · 15/10/2022 11:27

Sorry, for use of 'you' there, it seems insensitive given the subject matter. I was trying to make a hypothetical point but should have used a different word.

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