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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Trustee of Mermaids quits after speech to paedophile aid group Times article

221 replies

Xoxoxoxoxoxox · 04/10/2022 14:08

Sorry I don't have a share token but the article claims that Dr Jacob Breslow has links to an organisation that promotes 'induviduals who are attracted to pedophiles'. Mermaids have removed him now but it does show how lax their safeguarding procedures are (yet again).

Dr Jacob Breslow ... gave a presentation at an event for the US-based B4U-ACT in 2011.
According to its website, B4U-ACT promotes services and resources “for self-identified individuals . . . who are sexually attracted to children and desire such assistance”.Records show that the academic...became a trustee of Mermaids..in July this year.

www.thetimes.co.uk article/990e9e88-434f-11ed-8885-043c27446b97?shareToken=0258f847470f2b5b0bf6d1e933863c30

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Knittingmonster · 05/10/2022 22:59

MrsOvertonsWindow · 05/10/2022 22:57

I find it's always a good idea to read up on someone I'm defending - especially if he's a paedophile apologist who's got a place on the board of a children's charity.
Just a thought.

Got to agree with this. Look at all those people who defended mermaids before looking further into it…. They’ve got very eggy faces, and in some cases very brown trousers

noraclavicle · 05/10/2022 22:59

JudyGemstone · 05/10/2022 22:48

Nope, never heard of him before and not read anything. Just wondering if that’s the type of charity he was involved with.

Oh, sure.

JudyGemstone · 05/10/2022 23:04

Who says I’m defending him? I’ve never heard of the guy and I’m definitely not a supporter of mermaids.

I was just wondering about what the nature of the charity’s work with sex offenders was, because I think there is a place for supporting people not to offend.

HatThatWearsYou · 05/10/2022 23:10

ArabellaScott · 05/10/2022 22:15

I was just getting really confused that I couldn't find the Mermaids investigated thread 2... found you all Grin Still got catching up to do on the last thread.

noraclavicle · 05/10/2022 23:11

JudyGemstone · 05/10/2022 23:04

Who says I’m defending him? I’ve never heard of the guy and I’m definitely not a supporter of mermaids.

I was just wondering about what the nature of the charity’s work with sex offenders was, because I think there is a place for supporting people not to offend.

The story’s been running for a few days, with extensive coverage here and elsewhere of who he is and what he says and you suddenly drop in with a ‘never heard of him, but here’s a reasonable explanation for all this’?

Ok.

TheClogLady · 05/10/2022 23:12

The charity is Mermaids, it’s a charity for children with distress relating to gender.

The former charity trustee is an academic who writes propaedo papers, he described sex with a child (eg child rape as children cannot consent) as akin to ‘cumming on a shoe’.
He doesn’t work in the sex offence prevention field, he’s an ‘assistant professor of gender and sexuality’

he’s not a criminologist, psychologist or medical doctor, so he’s nothing like the people who work for StopSo.

HatThatWearsYou · 05/10/2022 23:15

JudyGemstone · 05/10/2022 22:42

StopSO

if it’s about preventing harm to children I’m not sure I see the problem no. It’s hardly ‘supporting paedophiles’ as in advocating for sexual activity with children in a NAMBLA/MAPS sense. It’s the opposite, helping people not to act on sexual feelings towards children.

I'm linking this from another thread because I believe it shows these organisations and rehab programs actually increase the likely hood of offending.

HatThatWearsYou · 05/10/2022 23:16

@JudyGemstone sorry: www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49973318

JudyGemstone · 05/10/2022 23:16

TheClogLady · 05/10/2022 23:12

The charity is Mermaids, it’s a charity for children with distress relating to gender.

The former charity trustee is an academic who writes propaedo papers, he described sex with a child (eg child rape as children cannot consent) as akin to ‘cumming on a shoe’.
He doesn’t work in the sex offence prevention field, he’s an ‘assistant professor of gender and sexuality’

he’s not a criminologist, psychologist or medical doctor, so he’s nothing like the people who work for StopSo.

Ok thanks for clarifying that, make sense. I was just wondering. Didn’t read the other threads or the articles.

NotBadConsidering · 06/10/2022 02:09

https://drive.google.com/drive/mobile/folders/1eE6XWXlnZy12Njntfzj_1hc7IdTdDrgy

Handy google docs collation of many of the people who blindly supported Mermaids despite being warned.

chilling19 · 06/10/2022 02:19

Lotto funds halted:

Lottery pauses cash for trans charity Mermaids during investigation

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/c959a286-44e4-11ed-8885-043c27446b97?shareToken=34ff17369547f61db8abc3fad04b63e0

JaneorEleven · 06/10/2022 03:01

chilling19 · 06/10/2022 02:19

Lotto funds halted:

Lottery pauses cash for trans charity Mermaids during investigation

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/c959a286-44e4-11ed-8885-043c27446b97?shareToken=34ff17369547f61db8abc3fad04b63e0

Best thing I’ve read all day. Thanks for the link.

After what seemed like years of all this being ignored, it finally does seem like people are hearing us.

chilling19 · 06/10/2022 03:10

😁

Grumblemonster · 06/10/2022 05:16

JudyGemstone · 05/10/2022 22:37

Hmm. Is B4U ACT not a similar concept to StopSO in the UK? As in they support people who are worried about their feelings/urges towards children not to offend?
Because if so I can’t see a problem with that, I think it’s a good idea. Juliet Grayson does some great work with StopSO.

No. It pretends to be that, but in fact it was founded by a convicted child rapist who explicitly stated in chats on pro-paedophilia forums that the intent was to destigmatise and gain public sympathy and NOT to prevent offending.

It you compare with StopSO, you will see that StopSO discusses paedophila, while B4U ACT popularised the santised expression minor attracted people or MAPs. You will also see that StopSO puts prospective offenders in touch with qualified therapists. B4U Act puts paedophiles in touch with one another, for supposed "group support".

WarriorN · 06/10/2022 05:20

Hooray! Thanks for link!

RedToothBrush · 06/10/2022 08:06

This guy was lecturing on children having sexual desire and adults desiring children. Ability / lawfulness of the concept of consent is strangely absent.

He is then advocating about how children should be free to do what they want because they know their own minds better than their parents and, if parents are at odds with them, thinks children should go and do these things behind their backs anyway with Mermaids helping enable this.

This is in the context of it being found that a Mermaids forum moderator was telling children to meet up on discord (sharing personal contact details without warning) away from Mermaids, as long as they didn't mention mermaids (to remove responsibility and liability from mermaids). Discord is already regarded as a particularly unsafe environment for children to the point that safeguarding warnings about the level of grooming and fostering abuse on the platform have been raised.

As a trustee, this guy has oversight on safeguarding, yet his personal opinion is that barriers which enable safeguarding should not be applicable to children identifying as trans. He has ideas about consent which are deeply worrying. And it looks as if the charity have been failing to meet basic standards and expectations on safeguarding - because they don't match the charities ideological beliefs - for sometime.

It is like there has been a marriage between the charity and private individuals who have common ground over lower or non exist ant standards of safeguarding because they 'have a difference of opinion' on what safeguarding is to the rest of the country and the law.

Except this is an area you can't have a difference of opinion. Safeguarding isn't optional. If you don't do it, it opens up kids to abuse.

This is the entire point. There is an institutional level of absence of safeguarding going on. Its attracting people who don't like safeguarding. People who don't like safeguarding will have pretty nefarious and self serving reasons to hold that opinion. None of which centre on the best interests and well being of the children concerned.

Over and over again ideology, the reputation of the institution and the attitude and agenda of the staff is put before children. The job of the trustees is to centre on the children's safety first, because if they haven't got that they cant do anything else as they are at risk.

We should not need to spell this out. Whatabouttery on responsibility for safeguarding is unacceptable on every level. You safeguard FIRST and then review whether your steps have been fair and proportionate because your first duty is to prevent harm.

At no point do Mermaids have a proper, public discussion on the concept of consent because the underlying belief is that all children from the age of 0 upwards have the capacity to express themselves fully as much as any adult. And people are surprised when this is getting the attention of people with a pro-paedo agenda?

Give over. That's just ignorant willful blindness to a level that's not believable. People know. But it doesn't suit their own adult moral agenda. It's an inconvenient truth that gets in the way of them signalling their virtue on inclusivity.

Fuck off should the single and only response to trying to normalise or sanitise this and make safeguarding as optional into a debate.

RedToothBrush · 06/10/2022 08:19

In a nutshell:

There should not be a question about whether children have sexual desire because it's irrelevant.

The only thing that is relevant is that children lack the capacity to consent.

Moreover, vulnerable children and young adults - you know the type that might threaten to kill themselves - have a lower capacity to consent.

They are at risk of their vulnerability being exploited by adult agendas.

Enter Mermaids who advocate sexuality and ability to verbalise and express this from age 0 before children have full capacity. They put this before all ideas of consent.

What did anyone think would happen? The reason that there is so much uproar and dislike of Mermaids is because of this prioritisation being effectively being their stated aim. With disasterous consequences.

You CANNOT have an organisation that states children can express their sexual desires and sexual identity from age zero, without there being a problem somewhere along the line. It's impossible.

All we are seeing is the consequences of this. It needs to fully unravel. It does not need celebrity endorsement.

Live4weekend · 06/10/2022 08:37

2 excellent posts Red. I was shocked and horrified yesterday but your explanation here has really brought it to home.

This has got to be the end of Mermaids. It can't be allowed to continue as it currently is. The harm being done to children is too great.

TheClogLady · 06/10/2022 08:43

I agree. Excellent posts, Red.

ArabellaScott · 06/10/2022 08:48

You CANNOT have an organisation that states children can express their sexual desires and sexual identity from age zero, without there being a problem somewhere along the line. It's impossible.

YY.

ArabellaScott · 06/10/2022 08:49

chilling19 · 06/10/2022 02:19

Lotto funds halted:

Lottery pauses cash for trans charity Mermaids during investigation

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/c959a286-44e4-11ed-8885-043c27446b97?shareToken=34ff17369547f61db8abc3fad04b63e0

Oh, boy!

SirCharlesRainier · 06/10/2022 09:04

Xoxoxoxoxoxox · 04/10/2022 14:18

Ahh I didn't know it was on another thread, I've just found a link to his speech, it's pretty vile.

Jacob Breslow (current trustee of Mermaids) gave a presentation in 2011 which (according to an unsympathetic attendee) compared having sex with a child to having sex with a shoe

pbs.twimg.com/media/FeKfH4xXkBMNY0h?format=png&name=large

I've read this extract three or four times and just don't understand the point that's being made re: children/shoes. Could someone explain it a bit more clearly please?

I'm not sealioning, I genuinely don't know what he's trying to say. Obviously it's disgusting and dangerous, whatever it is, but I'd like to at least know what it that I'm arguing against. I'm GC and try to stay reasonably well informed but find it increasingly difficult to keep up.

TheClogLady · 06/10/2022 09:24

He’s trying to say that normies understand neither foot fetishism nor sex with children (child rape in normie teens), but don’t worry, because clever PhD students like him are going to become Professors and change the landscape until both are accepted as not-an-abnormal paraphilia and are subsequently removed from the DSM.

Unironically revealing his own abnormal thinking by equating living children to inanimate objects (which is proper dehumanising, serial killer stuff, imo)

TheClogLady · 06/10/2022 09:26

Terms, not teens! Argh. Mumsnet autocorrect is v annoying!

ArabellaScott · 06/10/2022 09:41

I am not sure you're supposed to understand it, SirCharles. It might be helpful to see more of the context, but I suspect this is a rhetorical construct made specifically to enable the writer to use those images.

Genderism and queering seems (from an outsiders pov) to make full use of obfuscation and opaque language (with poor grammar constructions being a common feature) to give the suggestion that the writer has superior knowledge and insight, when in fact they're quite plainly talking about wanking over shoes/children.

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