Tory’s manipulation of women

[CaronPoivre]

All this nonsense that only the Tory’s know what a women is and you can’t vote Labour/Lib Dem/SNP because they don’t is just conscious and disingenuous manipulation of women voters, isn’t it? They say what people want to hear. Photo taken today at conference suggests they are also unclear about the rights of natal women but happy to get their votes by lying.
who is really more likely to support woman's rights, JRM or Angela Rayner? Johnson or Yvette Cooper?

Who actually cares about this nonsense?

Yep, plus the bot infiltration on here. It's totally fine to disagree with some policies but to actively vote Tory when you have just as many trans supporting Tories is just bizarre. Labour has a lot to get right but let's not pretend Tories care more about the average woman.

Hope that’s ironic and not you being a dick.

This has never been an issue that is solely left or right.

Which is why many of us have chosen to work ‘across the aisle’ and create single issue orgs where women of all (and no) political affiliations can work together.

At this moment in time the Tories are in power and have been slightly more receptive than the other parties.

I used to be a Labour member but I won’t be voting for them in the next GE unless they specifically promise to protect single sex spaces and stop schools from transing children behind their parents backs.

If that doesn’t happen I will spoil my ballot.

I live in a Labour safe seat and the candidate (previous MP is stepping down) has got splinters in his arse.

A Penny Mordaunt supporting LGBT Conservative thinks TWAW, no surprises there.

Kemi Badenoch or Lisa Nandy?

Definitely not Kemi because of her extremely right wing views. Any candidate supported by Britain First would not get my vote.

It's totally fine to disagree with some policies but to actively vote Tory when you have just as many trans supporting Tories is just bizarre.

I'd never vote Tory but not based on how many 'trans' (ugh) vote for them.

Since you, OP and the other first poster have all just arrived on MN you must be unaware that Feminists support trans people too;* *it's the policy of self-ID we want stopped, as do lots of trans people.

Yes some Tory MPs are awful on this issue and many don't give a shit but the Lib Dems are totally captured and Labour are substantially captured.

Kemi Badenoch or Lisa Nandy?

I disagree with Kemi on almost every political issue and agree with Lisa on most but Lisa is a spineless moron and Kemi is competent and articulate.

I will vote Labour but the ploppers painting all Tories as cartoon villains are using the wrong tactics if they genuinely want to switch women's votes.

If you want women to vote Labour then Labour need pro-women policies.

That's just desperate. One tory MP feels that way? What a surprise, that changes everything. Not.
Of course some Tories have that opinion.
But it's only Labour where the leader says that it's inappropriate to ask if only women have a cervix.

when you have just as many trans supporting Tories

I'd query the factuality of this.

Similarly, the idea that one photo of a TWAW supporter means the LP has the same policy as the LP.

We regularly get a poster bringing up one particular trans Tory MP, implying that means that the policies of the two parties are the same.

There are all kinds of things we could say about the two parties other policies. But as far as this issue, my response, OP, is how fucking stupid do you think we are?

That should be, "the CP has the same policy as the LP".

Well I may not like the tories and think that they are basically a bunch of incompetent twats but I hold Labour, the Liberal Democrats, SNP and greens with the same level of contempt as they hold women and as such they have lost my vote.
Tbh I don't know which is worse the Liberal Democrats who call us non men, the greens who want us to believe them and the science about global warming yet don't understand basic biology or Labour who who have stated that anyone who has any understanding of biology is not wanted in the party so yes I will vote for the party that is rolling back stonewall law and not promoting it thanks

I wouldn't vote for somebody just because they correctly define women as adult human females. An ability to acknowledge objective material reality is the barest minimum requirement for a politician, not a vote-winner.

Manipulated by the Tories and at risk of becoming a fascist if I so much as look at someone from the far right I'm so glad there are people in the world prepared to put themselves out to save me from my own stupidity.

That photo is just a lapel with some badges on it. Who is wearing it and who took the photo? I would be very interested to know.

Topsy Turvy Upside Down world strikes again.

I have no idea who Britain First supports (I tend to stay away from those sorts of orgs, personally) but if BF have updated their position enough to publicly support a black British woman who was mostly raised in her parent’s home country (Nigeria) then they must be at least slightly better than I imagined.

Lisa Nandy is a massive disappointment. I really wanted to support her in the Labour leadership contest but she made a right twit of herself, like most of Labour’s parliamentary party have in recent years, sadly.

I'd rather be manipulated than treated with such utter contempt.
It doesn't matter what Rayner or Cooper think when the party apparatus can't see a sinking ship without wanting to leap on it. The sheer self-righteous misogyny of the Labour party is a huge problem, it's losing them not just electoral support on polling day but support from the people who would previously have put effort into campaigning and fundraising.

Even Mordant has rowed right back on that one!

www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/penny-mordaunt-transgender-smears-tory-leadership-b1012833.html?amp

CaronPoivre Considering how many women here campaigned against the Conservative proposals to change the GRC process, it's obvious you don't have a clue about how women here think.

who is really more likely to support woman's rights, JRM or Angela Rayner? Johnson or Yvette Cooper?

Honestly? I have no idea. None of them are remotely feminist.

Except it's not One Tory MP. There are loads of them. Unsurprising since they are the party responsible for this shitshow.🤷‍♀️

Should they win, none of the other parties actually need to do anything wrt Trans inclusion and gender woo. The Tories have done it all for them. They put men in women's prisons and hospitals and with each decision cement their Self ID policy further and further.

The idea that "at least the Tories know what a woman is" has always been a lie. Some do. Some don't. None of them give a fuck about women.

The LP have been clear they will add gender identity to the protected characteristics and move forward with self-id.

The Tories have said they won't.

What is manipulative is trying to pretend those things are the same.

Tbf it was Blair’s Labour that passed the GRA in 2004 and made changing the sex on a birth certificate into a legal process.

That’s the root of the problem. Sure, Theresa May’s Tories proposals for Self ID escalated and adapted for the modern era but a) they didn’t start it and b) Johnson’s Tories scrapped those proposals when it became apparent that it was the official gateway to lunacy.

Now we are still left trying to close off the side alleyway to lunacy, but that’s still better than where we could be if Labour (who promised Self ID in their 2019 manifesto) had won.

Every party has been a shit show on this (and the Greens and LibDems are currently even worse than Labour and the Women’s Equality Party is the biggest joke of all).

Bring on the new SDP.

It doesn't really matter what the Tories say. They know that every man the state treats as though they were female, cements Self ID and trans inclusion in our legal system. FFS, they sent a paedophile man to a women's prison this week. It also doesn't matter what they say when they write gender woo into government Bills and defend it against common sense by stating TWAW and TMAM at the Despatch Box. To be recorded by Hansard.

If Labour or anyone else decide to protect gender ID, it will be little more than virtue signalling. The work and the damage is already done. And history will show it was the Tories that did it.

But it wasn’t.

Labour put men in Women’s prisons while the Tories were in the electoral wilderness.