Lisa Nandy says TWAW and belong in women's prisons

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And she totally supports self-ID. This is why if a general election was called tomorrow, I'd either not vote or I might even vote Conservative, though that would be painful for me.

Labour are still totally captured. I know there are good people within Labour fighting from within, but a Labour cabinet would include people like Nandy and Starmer who are staying true to Stonewall. They can't be trusted with women's rights.

I stole this from another thread: thought it deserved one of its own. Hope that's okay.

This

And we can see countries where this is not the case and it is steaming ahead. I despair at following in same lines

I think now, during the conference, is a good time to revive this video and remind people about what Labour MPs have said about this in the past.

If they were truly applying the brakes they would be seeking an urgent review into how and why this man is in a women's prison in contravention of our laws and the Geneva Convention on Human Rights.

Why ask for it to be removed? Your thread title is accurate. There are new people finding their way here all the time who may not be aware of Nandy's view's, it's useful for them to know where politicians stand on different issues.

Is she a Tory? They believe that too.🤦‍♀️

I agree they need to be doing more, it's unacceptable for a convicted paedophile to be housed in a women's prison. Even IF we accepted the absurd notion of "legal sex" this offender would still not meet the criteria.

Okay, I'll ask for it to stand. It's simply that I was under the impression that this was a new video, recorded at this year's conference, and it's not. But if you're sure that Labour's position hasn't changed and Nandy would say this today if asked, let's let it run.

Totally agree with Tanith. Karen White and now the case in Sussex have happened under Tory government. All the rise of power of Stonewall in schools, public services and private companies has happened under Tory government.
There is no one to vote for based on a belief that TWANTW. Actually by voting Conservative may be that is only going to strengthen the position that TWAW because it's like saying "it's happened on your watch and I'm still voting for you."

If Nandy had changed her mind the TRA's would be howling about it on Twitter and she would have received death threats which kept her away from this year's conference.

I very much doubt Nandy's position has changed. Let's remember that during that same leadership campaign when this was recorded, she signed a document to say that women with gender-critical views should be expelled from the party. She has never revoked that, as far as I'm aware.

Let's also remember that at the current Labour Party conference, Lesbian Labour, and Labour Women's Declaration, both gender-critical groups, have been banned from having stalls in the conference hall, and have been forced to hand out leaflets outside.

Labour are a vicious, woman-hating bunch of thugs who supporting putting male rapists in women's prisons.

I think the Labour Party attitude to women on this score is smug and seriously intellectually lazy.

They think the issue revolves entirely around being respectful and empathetic to trans people. This may be a worthy aim, but not at the cost of remaining oblivious to the undercurrent of a flawed US academic ‘philosophy’ and ideology that there is no reality, only individual truth, that has settled on sex as the core focus of attack and is seeping into everything with the help of lobby groups.

The most basic truth of life is being systematically undermined and women and children’s rights based on sex eroded and questioned.

Not only sex based rights but young people’s sanity, and bodily integrity is being threatened too - from as young as two.

I doubt very much that the Labour TWAW supporters have read the Cass Report,, what Kathleen Stock or Helen Joyce wrote, or listened to the Nolan podcasts.

I am sure they would hold their hand on their heart and swear that the right of this latest paedophile - to be validated as woman by putting them in a women’s prison - is sacrosanct.

They would also keep a straight face while ‘recording’ crime statistics according to the principle that male perpetrators of crime who say they are women are women and must be recorded as such.

In what world does that make sense? The Tories let it happen but have been quicker than any other western democracy to see the problem and do something about it. Liz Truss was one of the first Tories to step in and start putting a stop to it. Suella Braverman is already intervening to remind the police of their statutory duties. The Tories know that GI is dangerous to their electoral chances because it's unpopular with the voters.

I'm a feminist first, a Labour voter second. I'm not going to sacrifice the rights of 50% of the population to GI in order to put Labour in power. I might, on the day, if I'm angry enough, vote Conservative to try to ensure that Labour doesn't get in.

Oh, and I live in a part of the UK that has been Labour for the last 24 years. Where the NHS is shambolic, where homelessness and social deprivation are still rife, where unemployment in certain areas has remained high, where schools are getting worse results than anywhere else in the UK. And that, frankly, is also making me wonder whether it isn't time for a political shake-up.

I’d like to see KS answer those very specific questions too.

Seeking an urgent review would be the equivalent of doing an emergency stop.
Slowly applying the brakes = doing a u-turn on GRA reform, commissioning the Cass review, doing a u-turn on the conversion therapy ban for "trans" children. I'll admit it's frustratingly slow.

With Labour in power there will be no "urgent reviews" as to why male rapists are being housed with women. Labour have promised Self ID and Nandy has been open about putting men (who claim a female identity) in with women.

as I said upthread, Labour politicians are not being asked these questions. Compared to 2020 when they couldn't get away from it. If I was cynical, I would say that the media had been briefed not to put them onto the spot.

Yes I know things would be worse under Labour.

But it's still pretty fucking appalling that this Government isn't applying the emergency brakes and using it's powers to prevent women from being incarcerated with a pedophile contrary to the laws of the United Kingdom and the Geneva Convention.

Seems that women just aren't important enough.

Quelle Surprise!

Sorry I omitted the word 'male pedophile'.

I get that there are noises being made at the top about turning the tide but that is going to take a lot to filter down to what's happening on the ground, in my son's classroom, in my workplace, in the local police station, in my local hospital female wards, etc.
I can't vote Conservative to keep Labour out when it's the Conservatives who have let it happen and become so embedded in everyday life. I can't feel happy about any of them being in power if I thought it was my vote that put them there.

I find this really distressing and baffling.

Woman's safety being seriously threatened and they just don't care? Are happy to let it happen? Too thick and arrogant to even engage?

I look at the Denton principles and see how cleverly this has been wedded by the TRA groups, but at the same time I can't believe these people fell for it either. Is critical thinking just not something our political leaders do anymore?

The woman asking the question in the video is Julia Long, a GC radfem, not a member of the media. I think Labour are working very hard to avoid having anyone raise the question in public. Lesbian Labour erected a stall at this year's conference despite having been denied a pitch, but were quickly told they had to take it down. Labour is trying to pretend this isn't happening. Much as I hate the Tories and am as fearful as everyone else about what's in store on the financial front, I want them to have a couple of years in power to strengthen women's rights and get rid of the GRC, which was always bad legislation. We have two years to turn the gender ideology tanker around and make it one of those bizarre blips in history. If in January 2025 Nandy and Starmer and the Labour Party are still bleating TWAW and being applauded for it by their members (I'm a LP member) I won't vote for them.

Or are women just that expendable to them?

If they came out and said that all men in women's prisons will be rehoused then I'll support them. But I think they are just trying to strike a balance between making the right noises to give GC people hope without really committing to the massive urgent immediate changes needed right now.

Just came on to say this is an old clip. However, we should not be lulled into thinking they have changed their tune. They have probably been whipped to not discuss the topic, as they know it's a vote loser. Maybe, OP, you should ask for the topic title to be changed to, 'Have Labour Changed their tune since 2020" or something. It's important that we don't forget what batshit they were spouting very recently, as recently as this year (IIRC) when Starmer couldn't answer what a woman is.

But it's still pretty fucking appalling that this Government isn't applying the emergency brakes and using it's powers to prevent women from being incarcerated with a pedophile contrary to the laws of the United Kingdom and the Geneva Convention.

Agreed.

I so wish Labour would just stop this nonsense, it's so frustrating!

But it's still pretty fucking appalling that this Government isn't applying the emergency brakes and using it's powers to prevent women from being incarcerated with a pedophile contrary to the laws of the United Kingdom and the Geneva Convention.

It might well be contrary to the Geneva Convention. But is there any evidence it's contrary to the laws of the UK? I posted a link above to a court ruling that said it was perfectly legal to house male prisoners in female prisons if they identified as female. It seems mad to me, but I am not a lawyer.