Would you want your child to be taught by someone who looked like this?

[grannyjacob]

How can this be allowed?

twitter.com/ripx4nutmeg/status/1570750665680621568?s=21&t=lHOFZ9inVPAhUFVaCRJBXg

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/amp/entry/femskin-man-wears-female-rubber-doll-suit_n_5557502/

‘femskin’ 😬

And now my reply to your post has gone as well.

So we're not allowed to say that we object to a man putting on a woman costume and parading his fetish around children. Or that gender non-conforming children are being used as human shields to defend the 'right' of these men to flaunt their fetish in public.

That is really horrible

Of course. It's called 'bringing your whole self to work'.

Ah. Not a fetish at all. Oh no.

Christ, I just googled Ed Gein; I recommend NOT doing that.

Look, maybe they’re just on their way to a great booze up with Lord Blackadder.

all together now

”see the little goblin, see his little feet
see his little nosey-wosey, isn’t the goblin sweet…”

To some extent I think women can be more prone to this, because if you lack imagination, which is common, and haven't any real experience of having that kind of sexual proclivity or the potential for it, it seems very alien. I've talked to women who simply can't get their head around AGP - it just seems like a crazy thing someone made up.

But why? This is a long-standing typical "thing men do", surely? Even if it tended to be primarily associated with members of the establishment or serial killers.

Cross-dressing and related female fantasies are one of the most common male paraphilias.

Is this some sort of recent bit of memory-holing of what used to be common knowledge?

That teacher's behaviour is hardly some sort of modern invention (although maybe the technology involved in the prosthetic is state of-the-art?) - the only thing that's really novel is him being allowed to do it at work.

The ratio is pretty reassuring.

@NecessaryScene i agree, the 'what' of it, the fact that it happens, shouldn't surprise anyone. It's the 'why' I cannot get my head round, I obviously need to work on my imagination.

It's the 'why' I cannot get my head round, I obviously need to work on my imagination.

Oh, sure, I get that it can be hard for people, especially women, to understand the motivation.

My "why" was questioning why it would seem like a "crazy thing someone had just made up". It's not new!

Holy shit.

If I saw that coming towards me in the street, I would literally run screaming

As long as they said it was their gender identity, then absolutely.

The Canadians have painted themselves into a situation where they haven't actually defined gender identity, and therefore anyone who says they have one can make it up on the spot.

On fact, I can distinctly remember Megan Murphy asking, incredulously, how they could be ratifying gender identity in law, when they hadn't defined gender.

Fortunately, that piece of legal claptrap has alerted people in other countries. I can't remember which one of our politicians said it, but it was along the lines of if you can't define gender, you can't put it in law.

I'd like to know to what extent paraphilias crossover with personality disorders.

Yes, the whole 'bank manager in a pair of frilly knickers' trope is certainly a long-standing image. Even comedic.

I think people kind of glossed over it in their head tho. They didn't imagine that the bank manager was taking it to the extremes that we see now. And therefore the misogyny wasn't clear. And they didn't, for one single second, expect anyone to take him seriously.

I think it's a two stage thing. Firstly actually analysing what they are doing and why, and secondly seeing it so normalised.

And, of course, all the activism that has tried to separate transgender from transvestite has been fairly effective.

'The disinhibition and meanness features of psychopathy and the entitlement and exploitativeness features of narcissism were robustly associated with paraphilic interests, particularly sexual sadism, whereas the boldness features of narcissism and psychopathy were essentially unrelated to these interests. Narcissism and psychopathy features typically manifested the most pronounced relations with paraphilic interests, although antisocial personality disorder features were also strong predictors.'

Annoyingly can't paste both quote and link at once! From a study of c 900 students.

"Oh my god, my ear muffs have fallen down! Would you like a pair, it's getting rather cold?"

I used to sing that to DD and DS when they were babies 🤣

I don't know why, but I would say for sure lots of women seem to be quite unaware of this kind of thing even in the past. Maybe they just assume people cross-dressing in the past were really trans?

I have heard people say in the past, when talking about the cohort of gay men who like things like cottaging and have very high numbers of sex partners, that this was caused by lack of general acceptance of male homosexuality, and that when we had things like SSM, it would go away over time. Perhaps these omen believe that men who cross-dressed in the past did weird things because their trans identities were not accepted?

As far as the motivation in itself, I think the closest thing a lot of women can somewhat understand relates to people who at some level are aroused by the idea of being watched while having sex. I'm not sure if this counts as a paraphilia, as it seems much more common including in woman. But part of the psychology of it involves the individual putting herself in the head of the person watching, so being both subject and object.

I suspect men who develop things like AGP similarly are imagining themselves as object, as if through the eyes of another, but somehow they want to see themselves as the type of object they sexually desire.

Anyway - that's my best guess. I have thought that perhaps the general capacity has something to do with the fact that we naturally live in tribes, but who knows.

I wonder if the thing is, if you don't have something like a personality disorder, chances are you don't let it go so far. You know women aren't just a sexual object, you realize stuff is getting weird, so you don't go so far with it or stop earlier on.

I suspect that the fact that people are now being told this all means they are really women may make that harder though. You may be able to fool yourself for a long time and then it is difficult to do much to walk it back.

Excellent article by Kathleen Stock in UnHerd covering this teacher and recognition of 'eunuch' as a gender identity in the new WPATH guidelines.

unherd.com/2022/09/liberals-have-a-fetish-problem/

I just came on to post that! 😆

Of all the various commentators out there, Stock is among the clearest and most astute I've come across.

It is an interesting discussion so thanks to everyone.
My view is it doesn;'t really matter what thoughts a teacher has but it is the acting on them and the external appearance that does matter. So a male or female teacher can sit in class when not speaking and might be thinking about cooking dinner or what they are going to do with their lover when they next meet or what they would like to do if it were lawful. However as soon as they act in a way that is in appropriate around children - ridiculous massive fake breasts with huge nipples on show or very very short micro skirt on a woman (or man) or loads of cleavage or whatever clothes breach the dress code then that is where the line shoud be drawn as children are affected.

So if a "fetish" is that the man or woman has a metal thing clasping into their knee almost drawing blood all day or they have no underwear on or whatever else they want to do in secret as it were that is fine as long as it has no impact on the work at all.

Here the breasts are massive, get in the way of school equipment and could cause safety problems and no jacket covers up the nipple area so whether on a man or woman should not be allowed.

My view is it doesn;'t really matter what thoughts a teacher has

Strongly disagree, especially when it comes to children, who are sensitive and quite likely to pick up on and be disturbed by a teacher who’s spending all their time thinking sexual thoughts. Our thoughts affect others and they affect our future self. We aren’t little isolated bubble-beings.

Of course it’s impossible to make rules about what people think about! At least in a secular context. But it matters even though it’s impossible to make rules about.

Interesting to see how TRAs are dealing with this on Twitter. Main theme is 'only the right-wing is publicising this'. One person suggested that the teacher is trying to make a political statement about dress restrictions. None question that this person is a woman.