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Would you want your child to be taught by someone who looked like this?

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grannyjacob · 16/09/2022 15:24

How can this be allowed?

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purpleme12 · 20/09/2022 21:19

Surely if this were real there would have been more of a fuss

TheKeatingFive · 20/09/2022 21:21

Surely if this were real there would have been more of a fuss

There have been statements from the school, I'm not sure how much more 'real' you're expecting?

purpleme12 · 20/09/2022 21:26

I just can't quite believe it

BruisedSkies · 20/09/2022 21:27

Well it’s just ludicrous. I didn’t believe it really until I saw the statements and the video from the school.

TastefulRainbowUnicorn · 20/09/2022 21:59

Surely if this were real there would have been more of a fuss

the thing is there has been a fuss for years! Women on this board and elsewhere have been trying to tell everyone that this is what trans ideology is demanding: men openly parading their misogyny fetish in the workplace and around children in the education system, and no one able to do anything about it because that would be “transphobia.” We’ve been pointing out for a long time that unions and press and police and social workers and the third sector are either asleep at the wheel or actively steering us into the iceberg.

there’s a lot worse than this happening; women are being locked up in prison cells with rapists and serial killers. It’s just that there’s video evidence of this guy so it’s impossible to be in denial about the sheer insanity and misogyny of what is happening.

ArabellaScott · 20/09/2022 22:07

I realised today that the only reason this is news at all is because of the outlandish size of this teacher's prosthetics. Were they within the realms of believability, nobody would have said a thing.

ReunitedThorns · 20/09/2022 22:08

purpleme12 · 20/09/2022 21:19

Surely if this were real there would have been more of a fuss

It is all about media control. There have been a number of of news articles (not trans related) this year where the media refuse to report on certain facts (such as criminal convictions of the so-called victims etc) to create a certain narrative.

A few weeks ago when lesbians were told by police to leave a gay pride march in Wales, the BBC reported it as anti-trans campaigners told to leave Pride march.

The media can suppress whatever they see fit to promote certain narratives.

ArabellaScott · 20/09/2022 23:00

Yep. WiSpa wasn't reported on until there were actual riots in the streets. Even then, it was reported as 'anti trans' protests, when in fact, as was later revealed, this was a serial sex offender exposing himself to women and girls. The Guardian outdid itself calling all the women liars, iirc.

SantaCarlaCalifornia · 20/09/2022 23:22

I wonder why our resident trans cheerleaders aren't all over this thread?
We had a few new names early on to call it a hoax, but now they've gone strangely quiet.

Datun · 21/09/2022 00:13

ArabellaScott · 20/09/2022 22:07

I realised today that the only reason this is news at all is because of the outlandish size of this teacher's prosthetics. Were they within the realms of believability, nobody would have said a thing.

Indeed. And, despite the obvious extreme nature of this ridiculous body suit, the paraphilia is the same whether the man uses one or not.

MangyInseam · 21/09/2022 02:15

DuckTails · 20/09/2022 20:26

This is how CBC have covered it. Absolute cowards. I utterly despair of Canada.

www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/oakville-teacher-viral-reports-trafalgar-high-school-1.6588711

What a bunch of twats.

I was reading a story they did on a different political issue today, and while less dramatic, it was the same shit. Sh fucking biased, constructed in such a way as to make people think they know what it means while actually being totally obfuscating.

ArabellaScott · 21/09/2022 07:30

Ha, reading that article was like watching an unstoppable force meet an immovable object!

ArabellaScott · 21/09/2022 07:32

Quite funny watching the cognitive dissonance stretch to its limit.

MummBRaaarrrTheEverLeaking · 21/09/2022 09:07

This is the problem, right here. This statement -

It feels like the progressive thing to do.

It shouldn't. This is an example of the kind of 'be kind' leads to, a male parading around his fetish in front of children. The school, feeling progressive (or unable to deal with the 'transphobia!' lawsuit) have decided to defend it instead of doing what they'd have done years back and fired him on day 1.

For everyone else in the 'inclusive and kind' camp, they're remarkably silent for a change while they deal with a severe case of the cognitive dissonances. Even the best this journalist can muster up: " a mockery", comes with a she/her caveat, still not able to let go of that progressive stance (see also people focusing on defending Ezra Miller's pronouns instead of the criminal batshit).

But in the end, it's the kids that still have to deal with this, facing this fetish head on in the classroom daily, trying to tell the adults in the room that the emperor's got a pair of fake ginormous tits on, but the adults aren't listening Sad

Would you want your child to be taught by someone who looked like this?
Ereshkigalangcleg · 21/09/2022 09:09

It feels like the progressive thing to do.

Does it? Not to me.

FrancescaContini · 21/09/2022 09:24

Already posted on this thread and pleased to see it’s still running…there’ll be plenty of “lurkers” reading this who are finally experiencing the moment of the penny dropping (peaking!) - unless they’re excessively and very stubbornly entrenched in the farcical fantasy that men can be women or unless they’re genuinely “hard of understanding”.

The photo of the male teacher is the end result of genderism. This is it, being played out in front of children in a school setting. The children are being used in this unwell man’s delusions and are being brainwashed into staying silent and playing along with the insidious fantasy that the emperor really isn’t naked. Those poor kids.

ArabellaScott · 21/09/2022 09:30

'Now, is it traumatizing to high school students to have a teacher who looks the way she does? I suspect not. They’re teenagers, and to them, adults simply seem old. I cannot imagine the teacher will inspire her students to sport enormous faux bosoms'

In which the writer missed the point by a margin wide enough to fit the Death Star through it.

The issue is not that students will copy the teacher. Does she really need this spelled out to her? Has the concept of 'non-consensual involvement' really become impossible?

ArabellaScott · 21/09/2022 09:33

I will spell it out.

Paraphilias, which are fairly common in males (around 1 in 20, according to estimates) often depend upon the non-consensual involvement of other parties.

The teacher is displaying a fetish to children. The children are forced to be involved. The fact that the children cannot protest or object is part of the fetish.

Paraphilias often cluster - which is to say that when someone has one paraphilia, they often have more. This isn't making any accusations at that particular teacher, but I think that we really need, as a society, to be looking at paraphilias - and how they are linked to several fetishes.

NecessaryScene · 21/09/2022 09:34

It feels like the progressive thing to do.

I believe "feels" is the operative word. As opposed to say, thinking.

And that comes from having a belief that "tolerance" is always good.

I do keep coming back to South Parks "Death Camp of Tolerance" episode - but this event is the closest yet.

Slightly edited summary lifted from Wikipedia:

Finally promoted to teaching fourth graders, Mr. Garrison realizes that getting fired for being homosexual could allow him to sue the school for millions. He decides to perform outrageous sex acts in the classroom when he takes over for Mr. Mackey, hiring his partner Mr. Slave as his teaching assistant. Although the boys complain about Garrison's inappropriate activities, their parents mistakenly think their boys are intolerant of homosexuality.

However, despite their thoughts about that, the adults bring the boys to the Museum of Tolerance to learn about tolerance of minorities or those with different life choices, though they hypocritically attack a nearby smoker with verbal abuse.

Garrison, annoyed that no one has complained about his actions, steps up his campaign to get fired by shoving Lemmiwinks, the class gerbil, into Mr. Slave's rectum, an act called gerbilling.

The boys mention their discomfort to Chef, the only adult who believes them, who in turn reports Garrison's actions to Principal Victoria, but ends up being sent to a "tolerance seminar". Stan, Kyle, Cartman (who still has Kenny's soul trapped inside him) and Butters refuse to attend class, so their parents send them to an Auschwitz-like "tolerance camp"

Back at the Museum of Tolerance, Garrison is to receive the "Courageous Teacher Award" for overcoming adversity. Still frustrated at not being fired, Garrison goes all out at the ceremony in an extremely flamboyant and stereotypically gay manner. Although the parents finally understand what their kids were telling them about and are indeed shocked at Garrison's behavior, they still cannot bring themselves to criticize it, as they fear being branded "intolerant". When the people continue to call Garrison and Mr. Slave "courageous" for their actions, Garrison finally breaks down and shouts at them, saying that "tolerating something does not mean that you have to like it". He goes on to say that tolerating his homosexuality should not mean that he can do things which are obviously inappropriate in front of his students and begs to be fired so that he can collect on a discrimination lawsuit, but Principal Victoria says that she has a "better idea".

It is possible that this teacher is trying to do a Mr Garrison, although I doubt it. Not expecting any sort of similar breakdown.

ArabellaScott · 21/09/2022 09:34

NHS info on paraphilias:

tavistockandportman.nhs.uk/care-and-treatment/conditions/sexual-problems/

'More serious sexual problems include paraphilias and other sexual thought patterns and behaviours that may cause significant distress to the individual and/or other people. A paraphilia refers to a condition in which there are sexual interests that are more unusual. Some paraphilic behaviours such as fetishism or transvestism may be considered by many as part of the full range of normal human sexual behaviour if they occur between consensual adults. However, some paraphilias, such as voyeurism, exhibitionism and paedophilia are illegal as they cause hurt, distress, fear, or shame in others.

Legal paraphilias may also become problematic if they cause the individual significant personal distress, for example if the behaviour becomes compulsive and dominates the person’s life.

Other problematic sexual behaviors include addiction to pornography (legal or illegal), excessive sexual drive or masturbation, and illegal sexual aggressive behaviours such as rape. Both legal and illegal problematic paraphilias and sexual disorders may be associated with depression, shame and hopelessness.'

MummBRaaarrrTheEverLeaking · 21/09/2022 09:35

Nor me @Ereshkigalangcleg

As someone stated earlier on the thread, it's not WiSpa, they can't bury their heads in the sand and deny it happened this time. There's evidence, there's statements from the school, and now there's articles, unable to defend the indefensible but not quite able to condemn it either. Because they're scared of TRAs coming for them, or so neck deep priding themselves on being inclusive, kind and progressive that their heads are splitting from thinking about it too much. Or both.

It'd be laughable if not for the fact there are kids involved. Like the fetishy girl guide leader, the school however, like Girlguiding, will find this won't go away.

FrancescaContini · 21/09/2022 09:36

Deliberately missing the point is one of the many techniques involved, alongside obfuscation, in conning people into believing that “gender” is a real “thing” rather than empty, damaging BS.

OldCrone · 21/09/2022 09:39

ArabellaScott · 21/09/2022 09:33

I will spell it out.

Paraphilias, which are fairly common in males (around 1 in 20, according to estimates) often depend upon the non-consensual involvement of other parties.

The teacher is displaying a fetish to children. The children are forced to be involved. The fact that the children cannot protest or object is part of the fetish.

Paraphilias often cluster - which is to say that when someone has one paraphilia, they often have more. This isn't making any accusations at that particular teacher, but I think that we really need, as a society, to be looking at paraphilias - and how they are linked to several fetishes.

The author of that article does seem to have recognised that this is a male imposing his fetish on children.

Gender identity is not a choice. However, showing up to teach in cartoonish fake breasts is one. It’s a choice to wear what is effectively a fetish outfit while teaching, in a way that is visible to all. Whether done as a stunt or a sincere expression of sexuality, if anything qualifies as inappropriate, that would be it.

But she's so caught up in the idea that anything to do with 'trans' is progressive that the article as a whole ends up as a confused mess.

I'd like people like her to explain exactly what they mean by 'progressive'. It seems to be the idea of 'anything goes', but they fail to see that this leads to things like men parading their fetishes around children and non-consenting adults, and when it does, their heads explode.