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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

At last! All the reasons 'c*s' women are privileged

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ImNotAnExpert · 16/09/2022 12:38

takesupspace.wordpress.com/cis-privilege-checklist/

I had been wondering what this actually involved. NB:

'Don’t quibble with privilege lists. If you read them from a standpoint of wanting to deny your privilege, you’ll come out having successfully denied it but learning nothing. Read sympathetically and think about it.'

So there!

(it is perhaps unsurprisingly all predicated on the reader being from the US.)

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Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 16/09/2022 14:27

This made my day. I’ve had a rotten cold and felt quite sorry for myself until I read this ( even though laughing mad me cough).

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/09/2022 14:56

What

A

Brat

Haha all these "privilege lists" are like that, hence the lecture about not quibbling with them at the start.

nepeta · 16/09/2022 15:06

You can make a sarcastic privilege list about any group, actually, once we separate 'privilege' from its old historical meaning. For instance, as I am not terribly rich I never need to worry about hiring housekeepers for my multiple residences or about yacht insurance or about employing bodyguards for my children (to ward off kidnappers).

If I was someone in prison I would have the privilege of never worrying where my meals come from and I wouldn't have to fear dying in traffic etc.

The initial idea with the privilege concept was good, i..e., using introspection to understand that we, personally, may not have experiences about certain kinds of discrimination and that this does not mean it's not happening. But the way it is used now is simply to divide people into separate groups for whether they can speak about something or not and also to divide people so that they won't unite behind a cause they would all share.

And as Caroline Criado Perez keeps showing us, women are certainly not treated equally with men in medical research or medical care because so many treatment guidelines are still based on measures derived form men's bodies.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/09/2022 15:09

Yes I completely agree. I've also said before that I don't drive or have a car. Do other people have "car-having privilege" or do I have "non-driving privilege".

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/09/2022 15:22

"I expect that my access to medical treatment that I need and can afford will not be affected by:
1 My sex life
1 How much, how often, and with how many people I enjoy sex
2 Whether or not I am sexually stimulated by a mode of dress"

Tacit acknowledgment in number 2 as to what this is about for this person, there.

DontAskIDontKnow · 16/09/2022 15:36

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/09/2022 15:22

"I expect that my access to medical treatment that I need and can afford will not be affected by:
1 My sex life
1 How much, how often, and with how many people I enjoy sex
2 Whether or not I am sexually stimulated by a mode of dress"

Tacit acknowledgment in number 2 as to what this is about for this person, there.

I had to stop reading after that bit. I got completely creeped out.

BenCoopersSupportWren · 16/09/2022 16:07

Presumably it’s “cis woman privilege” not to get turned on when your skirt goes spinny 🙄

Pallisers · 16/09/2022 16:08

Laughing at the idea that "cis" women have complete access to healthcare. Dodds anyone? Try being treated for a miscarriage in Texas.

Also laughing at the idea that I feel I can go to any country with my current "gender expression". I'd be arrested in several and harassed in others.

it is all so tediously self-righteous and entitled.

Mind you, my professor friend told me yesterday his first year (in US) student came up to him after a lecture and said "can you please give me that lecture again as I didn't understand it". He genuinely seemed to think the professor would immediately sit down for another hour with just him and explain it all one-on-one.

nepeta · 16/09/2022 16:22

Pallisers · 16/09/2022 16:08

Laughing at the idea that "cis" women have complete access to healthcare. Dodds anyone? Try being treated for a miscarriage in Texas.

Also laughing at the idea that I feel I can go to any country with my current "gender expression". I'd be arrested in several and harassed in others.

it is all so tediously self-righteous and entitled.

Mind you, my professor friend told me yesterday his first year (in US) student came up to him after a lecture and said "can you please give me that lecture again as I didn't understand it". He genuinely seemed to think the professor would immediately sit down for another hour with just him and explain it all one-on-one.

The idea of 'cis' privilege does begin to look a little ridiculous if you are a woman in places such as Afghanistan. But that's partly the genius of the gender identity ideology: To erase sex-based oppression and to hide that erasure by changing language and by treating all 'cis' people as if they were equally privileged with each other. In other words, all traditional forms of exploitation and oppression are erased in that treatment, except when they are used for forced teaming to enhance trans objectives.

inkjet · 16/09/2022 16:24

"My potential lovers expect my genitals to look roughly similar to the way they do

Is this not saying they expect their lovers to resemble the person’s genitals?

BenCoopersSupportWren · 16/09/2022 16:41

inkjet · 16/09/2022 16:24

"My potential lovers expect my genitals to look roughly similar to the way they do

Is this not saying they expect their lovers to resemble the person’s genitals?

I’ve heard of dogs starting to look like their owners but this is next level 😵‍💫

J0y · 16/09/2022 16:44

JesusMaryAndJosephAndTheWeeDon · 16/09/2022 12:43

Clearly written by someone with significant male privilege!

Absolutely.

Menstruation is listed as a privilege!!

FernPotts · 16/09/2022 16:46

Also laughing at the idea that I feel I can go to any country with my current "gender expression". I'd be arrested in several and harassed in others.

Or beaten to death by the 'morality police'. I am so angry that a young woman can suffer this for not wearing a piece of cloth over her hair. www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-62930425

ImNotAnExpert · 16/09/2022 16:46

BenCoopersSupportWren · 16/09/2022 16:41

I’ve heard of dogs starting to look like their owners but this is next level 😵‍💫

That's giving me some odd mental images.

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/09/2022 16:52

Is this not saying they expect their lovers to resemble the person’s genitals?

PMSL 🤣

LuftBalloons · 16/09/2022 16:58

"I expect that there exists formal training about medical conditions affecting me.
I expect that medical therapies offered to me have been the subject of rigorous medical studies & approval processes.
I expect that medical studies are being done to improve & approve treatments available for people with my conditions."

This person needs to read Caroline Criado-Perez's book. Women die quite a lot because of the medical assumption about the male body as the default human.

It's just such an ignorant entitled list.

MorningPlatypus · 16/09/2022 17:09

J0y · 16/09/2022 16:44

Absolutely.

Menstruation is listed as a privilege!!

Years ago a transwoman frequented this section.

My infertility was less tragic than theirs because 'at least you have a womb'.

They'd fathered a child

Plasmodesmata · 16/09/2022 17:12

Menstruation is a privilege I'd happily do without.

Reflectiononglass · 16/09/2022 17:17

“I expect access to, and fair treatment within, sex segregated facilities“ - not any more I don’t, no. 😡

FreudayNight · 16/09/2022 17:19

“I expect…” times how many.

women are socialized not to have expectations.

Reflectiononglass · 16/09/2022 17:20

“I was trained into whatever gender was appropriate for me”

omfg. These people are like my grandma, who liked to see me in dresses. Nothing about the idea of gender is appropriate.

Reflectiononglass · 16/09/2022 17:25

“I expect be referred to respectfully without stating my preferences, or even being asked, no matter where I go, how I dress, or whom I’m talking to. If this does not happen, whatever level of anger I express will be acceptable”

Think this is beyond bratty.

Creepy as fuck.

Abusive, look what you made me do vibes.

And this person well knows “cis” people aren’t allowed to express limitless anger.

nepeta · 16/09/2022 17:47

Reflectiononglass · 16/09/2022 17:25

“I expect be referred to respectfully without stating my preferences, or even being asked, no matter where I go, how I dress, or whom I’m talking to. If this does not happen, whatever level of anger I express will be acceptable”

Think this is beyond bratty.

Creepy as fuck.

Abusive, look what you made me do vibes.

And this person well knows “cis” people aren’t allowed to express limitless anger.

This sounds like narcissistic rage. But in any case, the implicit social contract in most societies does not allow individuals to decide for themselves what level of an angry response to someone is deemed appropriate. That is a rule which is ideally supposed to be the same for every adult though it's applied differently for men and women in quite a few places.

Still, nowhere is it up to the individual alone to decide.

unsync · 16/09/2022 18:28

This guy's a comedian right? Although to be honest he lost me at all the medical stuff.

JellySaurus · 16/09/2022 19:11

Manteiga · 16/09/2022 13:30

"My potential lovers expect my genitals to look roughly similar to the way they do, and have accepted that before coming to bed with me."

Creepy

He is saying that this is something that everybody else takes for granted, but trans people don't or can't, or it's an assumption made about trans people and their genitals, and that he wants what we take for granted because if we take it for granted then it's a right so he wants that right as well.

Or something.

Anyway, it's more gubbins because of the pressure on women to shave their genitals and the disgust often expressed at women who don't. Besides, there is such variety in normal genitals that anybody might get a surprise when the pants come off. Hmmm, he may have a point, though, that a lesbian should be able to expect to see female genitals under her lover's pants.

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