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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

At last! All the reasons 'c*s' women are privileged

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ImNotAnExpert · 16/09/2022 12:38

takesupspace.wordpress.com/cis-privilege-checklist/

I had been wondering what this actually involved. NB:

'Don’t quibble with privilege lists. If you read them from a standpoint of wanting to deny your privilege, you’ll come out having successfully denied it but learning nothing. Read sympathetically and think about it.'

So there!

(it is perhaps unsurprisingly all predicated on the reader being from the US.)

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JesusMaryAndJosephAndTheWeeDon · 16/09/2022 12:43

Clearly written by someone with significant male privilege!

MouseLouse · 16/09/2022 12:47

Jesus Christ. What a tedious list.

"I expect that there exists formal training about medical conditions affecting me.
I expect that medical therapies offered to me have been the subject of rigorous medical studies & approval processes.
I expect that medical studies are being done to improve & approve treatments available for people with my conditions."

Stares in endometriosis

Absolute bullshit list.

Beansycheese · 16/09/2022 12:50

Christ, I bet their fun at parties

ImNotAnExpert · 16/09/2022 12:50

Oh, found the caveat:

'This list was originally written in the United States in 2007; its applicability to citizens of other countries and to other times will vary. It was created by a white, young, transsexual queer/woman'

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Beansycheese · 16/09/2022 12:51

They're 😡

ImNotAnExpert · 16/09/2022 12:51

Are you surprised it was written by a male? I was surprised.

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NecessaryScene · 16/09/2022 12:54

I was surprised.

Ah, if only you were an expert.

Plasmodesmata · 16/09/2022 12:55

"I expect that there exists formal training about medical conditions affecting me.
I expect that medical therapies offered to me have been the subject of rigorous medical studies & approval processes.
I expect that medical studies are being done to improve & approve treatments available for people with my conditions."

Ha ha ha ha ha ha

ImNotAnExpert · 16/09/2022 12:58

Actually, I'm now even more confused:

'I’m genderqueer, and a woman, and trans(sexual). Don’t like it? Tough. Both “she” and “ze” are good pronouns for me–unless you’re using “she” out of ignorance of or disrespect for my genderqueerness, or using “ze” because you’re unwilling to validate my womanhood. My genderqueerness and my femaleness/woman-ness have–and have always had–an uneasy coexistance (which should be clear from the strikethrough portion), and more than an actual change in my own perception of my gender, this reflects a change in how I communicate it through language, or a change of emphasis.

Several bloggers have used female pronouns about me during the period in which my about page specifically designated “ze/hir” (up until 8-27-2009). In case it’s not clear, I don’t think that’s any more ok because I now choose them.'

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Cattenberg · 16/09/2022 13:07

@ImNotAnExpert , not only must you use the correct pronouns, you must use them for the correct reasons.

JellySaurus · 16/09/2022 13:07

Totally tedious. Doesn't want much, does he? Just complete submission to his wants.

Most of us don't get many of the things he expects as his right. Many of the things he expects as his right are not rights that anyone has or expects.

BTW I expect my government-issued identification to accurately represent who I am. It usually does.

Nobody's government-issued identification represents them as their wish-fulfilment. Except, of course, in countries were the legal gender fiction is law, and then some people do get their wishes fulfilled. But not the oh-so-privileged 'cis', they don't have that right at all.

Grow up.

ImNotAnExpert · 16/09/2022 13:09

I know, Cattenberg. It makes my head spin.

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JellySaurus · 16/09/2022 13:10

Actually, I have no idea whether the writer is male, female, trans or what. But as the masculine pronoun is generally considered to include the feminine when a singular 3rd person pronoun is required, old-fashioned me just went for standard English.

ImherewithBoudica · 16/09/2022 13:12

Dungeons and Dragons for the new age.....

no, not buying it. Even from a level four Mage with Invisibility and a dragon card.

JellySaurus · 16/09/2022 13:17

ImherewithBoudica · 16/09/2022 13:12

Dungeons and Dragons for the new age.....

no, not buying it. Even from a level four Mage with Invisibility and a dragon card.

😂😂
The difference being that we knew our ability to fly was based on the roll of dice, not reality. And we made our LARPing weapons out of foam, so as not to hurt anyone. And when we came home from a LARP camp, the crown went back into the box on top of the wardrobe. Because, guess what, being a Zulana, the Warrior Princess was fantasy that did not belong in Dr Brown's physiology lecture.

ThorsBedazzler · 16/09/2022 13:18

I stopped reading. Once the list of privilege became a list of demands, it got too literally violent for me to see.

I mean, woo for my female cis privilege that means there's loads of medical research and testing into everything about me.

I haven't got the time to read the list, too busy revelling in the fact that everything I want (clothes that fit my body MY BODY) is happening almost the time and whenever I want it. Woo.

Wouldntrecommend · 16/09/2022 13:24

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At last! All the reasons 'c*s' women are privileged
Manteiga · 16/09/2022 13:30

"My potential lovers expect my genitals to look roughly similar to the way they do, and have accepted that before coming to bed with me."

Creepy

Brokendaughter · 16/09/2022 13:37

They appear to have missed the point that there is plenty of research to show that HALF the worlds population, due to being biologically female are often expected to be medically treated based on research into the effects of drugs etc.. ON MEN.
Many biological womens health issues have not had as much study done about them because medical science focuses primarily on men, with a few bits that they just can't avoid (like childbirth) being looked at in order to make sure the next generation of men are born.

Women are not medically 'privileged' at all.

Nobody should be expected to accept genital mutilation to be normal.
It's one of the reasons we fight against FGM.

There is so much bullshit in that list you could fertilise the whole of Kew Gardens & have enough left over for the Eden Project too.

ImNotAnExpert · 16/09/2022 13:37

Manteiga · 16/09/2022 13:30

"My potential lovers expect my genitals to look roughly similar to the way they do, and have accepted that before coming to bed with me."

Creepy

The grammar of that line especially egregious.

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Cattenberg · 16/09/2022 14:03

Manteiga · 16/09/2022 13:30

"My potential lovers expect my genitals to look roughly similar to the way they do, and have accepted that before coming to bed with me."

Creepy

Well, that would be preferable to a surprise, surely?

runlittlemonster · 16/09/2022 14:11

Having spent my working life calling out ‘blonde moment’ comments, I fell at the first hurdle with this list 😂 ‘I expect laws banning the creation of a hostile work environment will ban the use of offensive language about me.’

Cattenberg · 16/09/2022 14:16

Treatments which permanently or semi-permanently change my body are available to me immediately, based on my informed consent, ability to pay, and, if applicable, medical need.

If I am accessing medical treatment, my informed consent is verified in, at most, a one-hour consult made before the beginning of treatment.

😶

undermilkjug · 16/09/2022 14:19

Wouldntrecommend · 16/09/2022 13:24

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This sounds very like someone I heard on a bus recently. The person appeared to be male and had a masculine voice. He was engaged in a very loud conversation with a poor call-centre worker about how unacceptable it was that he had been called "sir" when he preferred "madam" but hadn't updated his account yet. Madness.

BenCoopersSupportWren · 16/09/2022 14:23

I’d like the menopause to be a compulsory module in GP training, since 51% of the population go through it (and a significant proportion of the other 49% will be affected by those going through it), but I guess my “cis woman privilege” hasn’t got that far yet.

Twonk.

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