Composer suspended over tweet backing Rowling’s gender views

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In the Times, quite prominently placed in the News section:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/c1b8ba7a-2edd-11ed-9b12-7a2e56f7aeb6?shareToken=b42189960611611eed39d04eee3b7ba0

Aren't we repeatedly told that cancel culture doesn't exist and we silly ovary-havers are just making up?

Man makes comment. Man loses job.

Looks pretty bloody cancelly to me.

What does the 19,000 figure represent in terms of children or young adults who actually received puberty blockers or went through life-changing medical treatments?

I'm not having a go. I think being on the Right Side of the Facts is significantly more valuable that trying to be on the Right Side of History.

Did anyone see these articles yesterday about the Christian teacher?

www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/i-d-rather-stay-in-prison-for-a-century-than-play-by-these-transgender-rules-says-jailed-teacher/ar-AA11zjVP?ocid=entnewsntp&cvid=b2601b0c0392471493c2bbfb53572430#comments

www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/anti-trans-teacher-who-breached-high-court-order-to-remain-in-prison/ar-AA11zVQc?ocid=entnewsntp&cvid=b2601b0c0392471493c2bbfb53572430

What does the 19,000 figure represent in terms of children or young adults who actually received puberty blockers or went through life-changing medical treatments?

I don't know, but you don't have to have had puberty blockers to decide you have grounds to sue for medical malpractice.

I have worked with Christian (and Spitfire Audio) before and he was always such a nice person to work with.
Very sad for him to potentially lose his job over this and disappointing to see how quickly people turn on their friends and colleagues.
So sick of cancel culture. No room for debate and opposing opinions while it sticks around.

What does the 19,000 figure represent in terms of children or young adults who actually received puberty blockers or went through life-changing medical treatments?

I dug into this on the previous thread.

Shorter summary of my post there:

The 19,000 would be total referrals to GIDs, which have been running at over 2000 per year since 2016.

I don't think we know a "total given puberty blockers" number, but we can estimate.

From the Cass report we know at least 200 out of 2500 referred in 2019 went onto the "endocrine pathway" in 2019. It's hard to say what the upper bound is there - a lot of the remainder referred in 2019 could have gone down the path later and not been counted in the 200.

So scaling that over the time period we can estimate 1750 or more in total (200 * 19000/2500) went on to puberty blocker or hormone treatment.

And it makes sense that not just those given treatment have cause for complaint, due to their over-emphasis on physical treatment.

Here you go.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/4e7fc538-18dc-11ed-b1f4-627a202c7457?shareToken=cff3ecdf79de82da6d06faf536e31536

That's the kind of thing I was after NecessaryScene.

I went for "life-changing medical treatments" as a shortcut for those cases that will have something more concrete and substantial to argue.

Again, we're going to see people hiding behind their choices not to document their experimental practices on children. That can't be adequately challenged in court and looks more like inquiry level stuff.

The total number of referrals to GIDS was 13,274 between 2009/10 to the end of the 2019/20 financial year, plus another 5,000 in 2021:
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NHS_Gender_Identity_Development_Service#Referrals

Oops, forgot to refresh the page before my last post and I see that Necessary had already given a better response.

Oops, forgot to refresh the page before my last post and I see that Necessary had already given a better response.

Thanks for the link to a handy number table though. That 5,000 for 2021 in the text is a higher number than I've ever seen before. Are we sure that's right? I thought referrals had plateaued in the last few years.

Same tactics certainly backfired on the Rosie Kay Dance Company. Wonderful podcast with Raquel and Rosie here. I can't wait to see some of her work now. podcast.filia.org.uk/1983918/11131514-180-rosie-kay-is-here-to-stay

OK, 50,000 people then if you want to go with 5% and that keeps you happy

Say what now? 🫤 The approximate numbers of those using the service appear not to be in in dispute.

Doesn' make any difference to the point that as of today in there are currently 0 families suing Tavistock (regarding Pogust Goodhead action)

We don't know how many people are preparing a case right at this moment. We will soon find out, I'm sure. Let's pick up then. 😉

What's in the media and Linehan referenced is PG's projection.

Wikipedia cites The Times for the 5,000 claim but the article is behind the paywall: www.thetimes.co.uk/article/tavistock-child-gender-clinic-forced-to-close-over-safety-fears-2gfj325lt

The great irony here is that CH’s tweet that caused all the trouble included Glinner’s YouTube video where Glinner is calling out Stewart Lee’s claim that cancelling doesn’t happen.

grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/imagine-being-on-the-side-of-sterilising

It’s going to be interesting to see who joins this class action. I guess that a person need not be a detransitioner to want to be included. You might end up with quite a few people who are happily “trans” but have side effects from blockers and cross sex hormones that they were not warned about. Side effects of genital surgeries are bound to be high and will only worsen with age and inevitable difficulties with balancing hormone treatments. If the record keeping was poor (which we know it was) and clinicians didn’t discuss the downsides of treatment I can imagine there will be a significant number of people who would feel entitled to compensation. What might stop them claiming is the backlash they receive from their own “community”. A large class action lawsuit would potentially effect the ability of young people to access these treatments in the future. Trans activists often go on about young people taking responsibility for their transition mistakes so I can’t imagine that the “community” are likely to be supportive of trans people who join the class action.

Sorry that was a bit off-topic.

The London arts and media scene has been the UK's 'ground zero' for implementing this ideology though. I think it's because it is so white, privileged and middle class, and this ideology has suddenly given them something they - or more often their teenage daughters - can use to claim they too are 'diverse' and 'marginalised'. Those who have gone through with surgically transing their kids caught up in this ideology or in organisations that have allowed themselves to be Stonewalled are now like attack dogs on anyone who dare suggests they have made the wrong decision for their children and failed to act like the adults in the room.

Surely the importance of the ‘facts’ issue is the difference between ‘expected’ and / or ‘potentially facing’ suits, and ARE being sued.

Not the numbers.

It was widely reported that 1000 suits could be ‘expected’. No reports at all (yet) of suits instigated since the report.

The idea that someone has been pushed out of his job for agreeing with a decision made by our NHS in line with the findings of an official report as accepted by our NHS, is truly a sign on the assault on freedom that the trans ideologists have launched.

Does Spitfire not have an HR person or a legal advisor whose professional understanding was alerted by this?

No reports at all (yet) of suits instigated since the report.

Its a class action suit, not individual suits. They take time to get organised. They'll file when they're ready.

While we will have to see how many join the PG suit, I seriously doubt they're staking their reputation with absolutely nothing to go on.

What Linehan said was a reflection of how it had been reported in the media however. The subtleties weren't conveyed well by the press.

Anyway, Christian is allowed to express private agreement with GC beliefs. That much has been enshrined in law whether or not Spitfire grasp the implications of that.

It's important to get the facts straight otherwise it makes people look stupid and uninformed when they repeat them elsewhere.

Much as I appreciate the effort to get the details right on this side, it is kind of funny that we're making the effort to do this while other side says things like "trans women are women". 😂