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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

JK Rowling on Twitter

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babyjellyfish · 07/09/2022 10:09

twitter.com/guerrero_ramey/status/1567248658004934656

The fallout from this tweet last night was a sight to behold.

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WandaWomblesaurus · 08/09/2022 01:35

Also I'll tell you whodunnit.
It was the Fox Killer, in a Kimono, in the henhouse.

NotTerfNorCis · 08/09/2022 01:58

A TRA revealed the killer in 'Troubled Blood' before I'd started it. It did mean a different experience reading the book, although it didn't spoil it. Still a mean-spirited thing to do, especially with books of this length.

babyjellyfish · 08/09/2022 07:43

NeinDanke · 07/09/2022 23:54

Just a warning not to read Twitter threads about TIBH - a trans activist is posting spoilers.

For those who have finished the book, do you think it would make a big difference knowing who the killer is and since I apparently do, is there any point in my reading it now? 😢

I don't think it would have made any difference for me.

The identity of the killer is a pretty unimportant part of the reading experience, tbh.

Nobody on this thread is saying that it's not worth reading the books if you've already seen the BBC adaptations, after all. Reading them is a completely different experience.

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SirSamVimesCityWatch · 08/09/2022 08:10

WandaWomblesaurus · 08/09/2022 01:35

Also I'll tell you whodunnit.
It was the Fox Killer, in a Kimono, in the henhouse.

Grin
NeinDanke · 08/09/2022 08:12

Thanks everyone. Part of the fun for me is trying to guess "whodunnit" but Robin and Strike are such great characters - from the very first book I was rooting for Robin as she was so obviously in such a bad relationship! I've loved the series for years, long before JK supposedly became "controversial"'so definitely not gonna let a TRA spoil it for me.

Just can't get my head around why you someone would do something so spiteful and mean-spirited. And he would have had to go to the bother of going to a bookshop to look up the ending- what a sad person! I guess I can be thankful I'm not him.

RufustheFloralmissingreindeer · 08/09/2022 08:21

nein

i agree, quite obviously the point of a whodunnit is to find out whodunnit….otherwise it would be a theydunnit

i like horror movies and series like Slasher…and they are quite often whodunnits

obviously having said that I would reread and rewatch these things because i enjoy them, I’ve read agatha christie books repeatedly for decades. Give me a few clues as to plot and i can tell who you the killers are

so a fuckwit trying to spoil my fun wouldnt succeed…id just think they were a sad little fucker with no life

(i read nothing about a film when i knew a character was going to die in a star wars movie…i got to the cinema with a guess but no proof, til two little ones ran out of the early show to tell their mum who dies 😒 i may have had a look on my face because she looked at me and virtually ran them out. Wasn’t their fault though 😀)

EmpressaurusWitchDoesntBurn · 08/09/2022 08:26

NeinDanke · 07/09/2022 23:54

Just a warning not to read Twitter threads about TIBH - a trans activist is posting spoilers.

For those who have finished the book, do you think it would make a big difference knowing who the killer is and since I apparently do, is there any point in my reading it now? 😢

Oh God yes. Completely - finding out who the killer was was almost incidental as far as I was concerned!

WandaWomblesaurus · 08/09/2022 08:51

Wanderingowl · 07/09/2022 11:19

I'm increasingly convinced that a lot of the attacks on Rowling are just pure jealousy from (wannabe) writers who can't bear the fact that they will never have anything like her success. They resent her talent, her hard work and her very fortunate timing in a way that they just can't get past. While obviously some are Potter fans who hate that she's a 'heretic,' I think more are people who may or may not have loved Potter but hate that she has had an unprecedented and probably unrepeatable level of success.

This tweeter has recently released a clearly self-published book. And without sarcasm, well done to them for putting the work into writing a book. That takes dedication and hard work in exchange for no guarantee of a reward. However while I don't want to be mean, "Dust of a Moth's Wing" strikes me as a genuinely awful title. And the summary of the book, the type that would traditionally be on the back cover, is all over the place and incoherent. This person is never going to have Rowling's success and instead of looking inward to work out why, and if they can make changes to improve their own writing, they choose to lash out at someone who has the success they want, instead. Perhaps on some level hoping that starting a twitter spat would encourage JKR's former fans to become R. Ramey Guerrero fans instead. But also to punish her for having what they want, as it's Rowlings fault that they aren't her.

💯 this.
I always wonder if Gaiman and Pullman have a bit of glee at the idea of sticking the knife in too.
Whilst both are successful it must fuck them off that she is so influential.

babyjellyfish · 08/09/2022 09:29

WandaWomblesaurus · 08/09/2022 08:51

💯 this.
I always wonder if Gaiman and Pullman have a bit of glee at the idea of sticking the knife in too.
Whilst both are successful it must fuck them off that she is so influential.

God, yes, I bet that's it.

Imagine being such a successful writer in your own right and yet still being so salty that a woman is more successful that you take the opposite side to her in a culture war out of spite.

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OrangePumpkinLobelia · 08/09/2022 09:38

SapphireSeptember · 07/09/2022 22:38

I bought TIBH today! (And a little Snape figurine, not a Funko Pop thing.) Also got the presents my friend got me for my birthday and three out of the four were HP things. So JK Rowling has got some money out of me today. I love buying HP merch, it kinda feels subversive now.

@UnconscionableSnacking Yes! I noticed that in Troubled Blood (the first one I read) and really noticed it in Career of Evil. It's all very interesting. JK Rowling is bloody clever.

I agree buying HP merch feels subversive. I recently bought a bunch of HP merch when it was in the Aisle of Impulsive Purchases at Aldi. Sadly both DCs are over their HP phase but I most definitely am not.

JoodyBlue · 08/09/2022 09:40

The howdunit and whydunit and withwhomdunit are as important as whodunnit I reckon. Also I have reread all the Strike novels in the light of knowing whodunnits for the retrospective reveals and subtle pointers, as well as all the other beautiful stuff in the novels. In short, knowing whodunnit in advance won't detract. It might even add something. But if you don't know, I wouldn't advocate going to find out. Mean spirited of someone to make that public though - arse like behaviour.

SirSamVimesCityWatch · 08/09/2022 09:48

I agree buying HP merch feels subversive. I recently bought a bunch of HP merch when it was in the Aisle of Impulsive Purchases at Aldi. Sadly both DCs are over their HP phase but I most definitely am not.

I used to keep my love of HP under wraps a bit - I'm nearly 40, I have an English Literature degree, I should probably be a bit more highbrow - but now I positively delight in buying HP merchandise. Every time I buy something I think 'royalties!' and I while I know it barely even counts as a drop in the ocean, I want to do my bit to ensure anyone looking at the bottom line of comments out vs money in sees that JKR is not losing that game. My house is filling up with the stuff!

Which reminds me - the new illustrated (Jim Kay) edition of The Order of the Phoenix is out later this year, pre-orders now available!

babyjellyfish · 08/09/2022 09:50

Thanks for the heads up, @SirSamVimesCityWatch, I love the Jim Kay illustrated books! So beautiful.

I generally don't like branded merch but I might have to see if I can find something subtly Harry Potter related.

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OrangePumpkinLobelia · 08/09/2022 09:56

My favourite thing is actually a HP lego keyring. It's fairly subtle. (Although that may be because my key ring has a very great many things on it).

www.lego.com/en-gb/product/harry-potter-keyring-854114

OrangePumpkinLobelia · 08/09/2022 09:57

oooh... not sure how I got some random italics in there....

babyjellyfish · 08/09/2022 10:02

Do you think it matters whether the profits actually go to JK Rowling or is it more the display of support which is important? Obviously she doesn't need the money.

That lego keyring is cute.

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SirSamVimesCityWatch · 08/09/2022 10:04

The way I see it, she doesn't need the money, but if profits from HP stuff suddenly took a nosedive, many important bean counter someones would notice and that might make a difference to the support she still gets from her publishers, Warner Bros, etc. Right now the HP juggernaut thunders on and people can't cancel her because of that. (Not for lack of trying.)

babyjellyfish · 08/09/2022 10:07

Yeah, I see your logic.

Do you think it makes more of an impact to buy merchandise from big companies like Lego, or little people on Etsy?

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nauticant · 08/09/2022 10:09

There is a lot of Harry Potter LEGO:

www.lego.com/en-gb/themes/harry-potter

Just like normal LEGO except even more expensive. It's a shame the minifigures are no longer available:

www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2499334.m570.l1313&_nkw=harry+potter+minifigures&_sacat=263012

nauticant · 08/09/2022 10:13

My assumption is that JKR agreed with Warner Bros that they would generate and control the Intellectual Property Rights related to merchandising, and some other areas such as film production and distribution, in exchange for an ongoing royalty. Hopefully it was that, and defined in terms of a percentage, rather than a fixed royalty amount or a fixed up-front payment only.

TheBiologyStupid · 08/09/2022 11:24

startfresh · 07/09/2022 11:41

To JK, since I can't put this on my personal Twitter! didn't realise there was a whole series of books. I'm going to order when I finish my current book and my husband is going to order today (we read differently, think two of hard copy/kindle/audible)

We support you! (My husband is actually really excited that JK has a series out that he didn't know about, not one for modern news!) so already got a reignited fan

The TV adaptation is still available on iPlayer, too: www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b093ypxy/episodes/player

RoyalCorgi · 08/09/2022 11:28

Just can't get my head around why you someone would do something so spiteful and mean-spirited.

They're trans activists. Spiteful and mean-spirited is their defining personality characteristic.

NecessaryScene · 08/09/2022 11:34

They're trans activists. Spiteful and mean-spirited is their defining personality characteristic.

Quite, but very frequently the personality characteristics are the starting point, and the trans activism follows from that. As someone wise wrote on Twitter last year:

The reason why so many extremely woke people turn out to have been bigoted in the past is because bigotry used to be the best way to bully and intimidate people, but now performative anti-bigotry is the best way to bully and intimidate people. An evolving toolset for sociopaths.

Baaaaaa · 08/09/2022 11:40

startfresh · 07/09/2022 11:41

To JK, since I can't put this on my personal Twitter! didn't realise there was a whole series of books. I'm going to order when I finish my current book and my husband is going to order today (we read differently, think two of hard copy/kindle/audible)

We support you! (My husband is actually really excited that JK has a series out that he didn't know about, not one for modern news!) so already got a reignited fan

I'm so jealous you are at the beginning. The films too are great.

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 08/09/2022 12:53

Bugger, I was going to join the library queue for this one, and save the £12. There are a lot of people ahead of me. If TRAs are going to be posting info about the book, I'm going to have to buy it!

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