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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

JK Rowling on Twitter

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babyjellyfish · 07/09/2022 10:09

twitter.com/guerrero_ramey/status/1567248658004934656

The fallout from this tweet last night was a sight to behold.

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babyjellyfish · 07/09/2022 14:26

I would never borrow her books from a library as I love to re-read them too much!

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RedToothBrush · 07/09/2022 14:34

Datun · 07/09/2022 12:24

No I haven't. Is it part of the series? Or is it a one off?

The review I've seen basically says she knows these idiots better than they know themselves and she wrote it before she had a crap load of the trouble she had.

Basically they are acting perfectly in line with her expectations and human observations.

So i doubt her faith in humanity is dented. More that she has faith that she has the measure of these dickhead. And thats reassuring as she has the insight to understand how they are also unrepresentative. Just loudmouthed.

Greencoatblue · 07/09/2022 14:35

I get them on Audible, Robert Glenister reads them to me. 😀

UnconscionableSnacking · 07/09/2022 14:36

Same, I am rereading IBH already. The mystery (and all the other parts) is fantastic the first time, and then seeing all the intricate plotting is even more enjoyable the second time around now that I know the ending. She's insanely clever.

UnconscionableSnacking · 07/09/2022 14:37

Sorry that was same to buying rather than borrowing so I can reread. Slow typer so cross posted

yetanotherusernameAgain · 07/09/2022 14:49

@IcakethereforeIam

twitter kicks me out before I can read it properly

If it's the Log-in or Sign-up box that's obliterating the screen, click on 'Log-in' and the next box has a close X in the top left hand corner. Close the Log-in box (without logging in) and you can then read the rest of the Twitter feed.

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 07/09/2022 15:01

BordoisAgain · 07/09/2022 13:40

They mob lost their heads over a description of a serial killer in the 70's possibly wearing a woman's coat one one occasion because transphobia, but never mention the actual trans character in a previous book who is written as a sympathetic character.

It's also very strange that all this supposedly blatant anti- semitism and racism in Harry Potter has only just been noticed since JKR has been convicted of wrongthink 🤔

It's because they didn't read either of the books, and so are totally unaware. All they know is that a couple of journalists claimed that Troubled Blood is transphobic, and they're just parroting that. Clearly, JK has lost zero sales here. None of them could even be bothered to borrow her previous Cormoran Strike books to look for things to be offended about. What they do, is fixate on ways to find the Harry Potter books and even the films problematic.

It's like they haven't read any books since HP. Don't get me wrong, I loved the series myself - I remember counting down the days to the release of each next book! - but there are other books. If JK had taken completely the opposite position to the one she has, and diametrically disagreed with me, I quite simply wouldn't have cared about it to the degree the trans activists do.

In fact, my absolutely favourite author actually does diametrically disagree with GC feminism and tweets a bit about trans rights. I still read her books, and the series is still in pride of place on my bookshelf. And the release date for the next book of hers is in my diary!

BordoisAgain · 07/09/2022 15:02

There's a magnificent passage in (I think) Troubled Blood where a female character rails against the fact that women are always blamed when men do wrong.

TheMarzipanDildo · 07/09/2022 15:14

CrossPurposes · 07/09/2022 14:03

The TV series are the bare bones of the books and I don't think having watched them spoils what else the books offer.

This is very true re the tv series. I have a crush on Holiday Grainger though so am happy to watch it anyway!

BoreOfWhabylon · 07/09/2022 15:17

Datun · 07/09/2022 12:46

Right, thank you. I've seen the strike series on TV, but I'm not sure which one it's up to.

Which is why I haven't started the books. I don't know where I am with it!

I might start from the beginning. I almost wish I hadn't watched the series now, I'd rather have read the books to be honest.

@Datun I hadn't read any of the series but dived straight into TIBH. I'm loving it, especially the twitter and forum exchanges. I'll go back and start reading the series from the beginning once I've finished this one.
(also, I'm convinced JKR posts on MN)

IcakethereforeIam · 07/09/2022 15:31

@yetanotherusernameAgain thanks, but I wish. It's some fresh hell that i can't click round.

babyjellyfish · 07/09/2022 15:38

It's like they haven't read any books since HP. Don't get me wrong, I loved the series myself - I remember counting down the days to the release of each next book! - but there are other books.

God, yes, I remember counting down the days until the next Harry Potter book. I was 21 when the last one was released and my dad had pre-ordered two copies at Waterstones. He always bought a copy each for me and my brother since the Prisoner of Azkaban, when we fought bitterly over who got to read it first.

Anyway, I told myself I wasn't going to go to Waterstones at midnight because that would be absolutely mad, but as it happened I was working a shift as a waitress that night and finished just before midnight, so I went along and queued up with all the children, got my book, and then went home and read through the night.

Now I wait for the next Strike book with similar excitement and anticipation, which I think is a testament to how good her stories are.

If JK had taken completely the opposite position to the one she has, and diametrically disagreed with me, I quite simply wouldn't have cared about it to the degree the trans activists do.

Same.

One that really disappoints me is Philip Pullman, who has decided to join the TWAW camp and has said some pretty nasty stuff about GC feminists on Twitter. It does make me see him in a different light as a person, but I'm not harassing him on Twitter, and I still enjoy his books.

The really annoying thing is that his Sally Lockhart series is one of my all time favourites, and she is one of the best female characters ever, who would have been a card carrying TERF! She's a young woman living in Victorian London who defies all the gender stereotypes. She doesn't sing, paint or play the piano, but she speaks Hindi, can shoot and run a business. She goes to Cambridge but isn't awarded a degree because she is a woman. She sets up a financial consulting business and has to work really hard to find clients to take her seriously because she is a woman. She gets pregnant by a man who dies in an accident before they can get married and raises her child as a single, unmarried mother, whilst also running her business. In the third book she receives a divorce petition from a man she has never heard of, who is claiming that he is married to her and the father of her child, that she has abandoned him, and is seeking control of her assets and custody of her daughter. Her own lawyer doesn't believe her when she says she has never heard of this man and doesn't know why he is doing this, and consistently advises her to defend the allegations made against her in the divorce petition in the hope that the judge will be lenient with her and allow her to retain some of her money and still see her child, forcing her to go into hiding while she tries to find out what the hell is going on. Literally the whole series is about her fighting against the gendered stereotypes imposed on her due to her sex, and everything that is done to her is only possible because she is female.

I genuinely do not understand how you can write a character like that, and then, 30 years later, claim that trans women are women and gender critical feminists are hateful bigots.

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babyjellyfish · 07/09/2022 15:39

BoreOfWhabylon · 07/09/2022 15:17

@Datun I hadn't read any of the series but dived straight into TIBH. I'm loving it, especially the twitter and forum exchanges. I'll go back and start reading the series from the beginning once I've finished this one.
(also, I'm convinced JKR posts on MN)

Hello JKR if you are reading this! You are awesome, never change.

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CrossPurposes · 07/09/2022 15:40

TheMarzipanDildo · 07/09/2022 15:14

This is very true re the tv series. I have a crush on Holiday Grainger though so am happy to watch it anyway!

She's great as Robin. Very well cast.

Theundertaker · 07/09/2022 15:42

IcakethereforeIam · 07/09/2022 15:31

@yetanotherusernameAgain thanks, but I wish. It's some fresh hell that i can't click round.

Have you tried nitter? You don't need a log in for it.

nitter.net/guerrero_ramey/with_replies

IcakethereforeIam · 07/09/2022 15:42

@yetanotherusernameAgain had another go, and your tip worked, thank youSmile

AgnestaVipers · 07/09/2022 15:49

Am I allowed to say that I find these people moronic?

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 07/09/2022 16:14

BoreOfWhabylon · 07/09/2022 15:17

@Datun I hadn't read any of the series but dived straight into TIBH. I'm loving it, especially the twitter and forum exchanges. I'll go back and start reading the series from the beginning once I've finished this one.
(also, I'm convinced JKR posts on MN)

She definitely lurks on Relationships. She got in an MN reference in the last book (shit hot lawyer, which is what you get after LTB).

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 07/09/2022 16:20

babyjellyfish · 07/09/2022 15:38

It's like they haven't read any books since HP. Don't get me wrong, I loved the series myself - I remember counting down the days to the release of each next book! - but there are other books.

God, yes, I remember counting down the days until the next Harry Potter book. I was 21 when the last one was released and my dad had pre-ordered two copies at Waterstones. He always bought a copy each for me and my brother since the Prisoner of Azkaban, when we fought bitterly over who got to read it first.

Anyway, I told myself I wasn't going to go to Waterstones at midnight because that would be absolutely mad, but as it happened I was working a shift as a waitress that night and finished just before midnight, so I went along and queued up with all the children, got my book, and then went home and read through the night.

Now I wait for the next Strike book with similar excitement and anticipation, which I think is a testament to how good her stories are.

If JK had taken completely the opposite position to the one she has, and diametrically disagreed with me, I quite simply wouldn't have cared about it to the degree the trans activists do.

Same.

One that really disappoints me is Philip Pullman, who has decided to join the TWAW camp and has said some pretty nasty stuff about GC feminists on Twitter. It does make me see him in a different light as a person, but I'm not harassing him on Twitter, and I still enjoy his books.

The really annoying thing is that his Sally Lockhart series is one of my all time favourites, and she is one of the best female characters ever, who would have been a card carrying TERF! She's a young woman living in Victorian London who defies all the gender stereotypes. She doesn't sing, paint or play the piano, but she speaks Hindi, can shoot and run a business. She goes to Cambridge but isn't awarded a degree because she is a woman. She sets up a financial consulting business and has to work really hard to find clients to take her seriously because she is a woman. She gets pregnant by a man who dies in an accident before they can get married and raises her child as a single, unmarried mother, whilst also running her business. In the third book she receives a divorce petition from a man she has never heard of, who is claiming that he is married to her and the father of her child, that she has abandoned him, and is seeking control of her assets and custody of her daughter. Her own lawyer doesn't believe her when she says she has never heard of this man and doesn't know why he is doing this, and consistently advises her to defend the allegations made against her in the divorce petition in the hope that the judge will be lenient with her and allow her to retain some of her money and still see her child, forcing her to go into hiding while she tries to find out what the hell is going on. Literally the whole series is about her fighting against the gendered stereotypes imposed on her due to her sex, and everything that is done to her is only possible because she is female.

I genuinely do not understand how you can write a character like that, and then, 30 years later, claim that trans women are women and gender critical feminists are hateful bigots.

I am similarly baffled. Between Sally Lockhart and the time he wrote an entire series about wellmeaning adults trying to block children's development, you'd think he'd get the issue.

Again, I'm not burning my copy of A Ruby in the Smoke over it, but I am surprised.

IcakethereforeIam · 07/09/2022 16:20

Now I've read it, I think I was being too kind, I don't know how to screen shot twitter but the link is below

twitter.com/guerrero_ramey/status/1567280523336208385?s=20&t=ldvozu5w52HbB6WSx0nA9Q

Dictionary definition of DARVO. The responses below are noticeably lacking in death and rape threats. So a bit of a pile on, many asking for an apology. I hope they do apologise. It would be interesting to compare with the treatment of Jameela Jamil, after she apologised to the tras.

At least one person put a bad review on the Editing Services. However, it wouldn't have been visible without Ramey's approval except she attached it to the tweet.

I hope it's teaching her a valuable lesson.

SpinCityBlues · 07/09/2022 16:22

AgnestaVipers · 07/09/2022 15:49

Am I allowed to say that I find these people moronic?

Perhaps, 'almost unbelievably surface-stupid'? It's hard to put into words sometimes.

Plus, when there's a deliberate disingenuousness about it, a wilful stubborness, by those puliing the strings and manipulating the naive and the confused, where does one go for the vocabulary?

RoyalCorgi · 07/09/2022 16:32

AgnestaVipers · 07/09/2022 15:49

Am I allowed to say that I find these people moronic?

Don't know if it's against MN rules or not. It is true, though. The are just remarkably stupid. Their current obsession is that JKR uses a male pseudonym for the Strike books and they seem to think that this is some kind of gotcha on the trans issue. As if writing a book under an opposite sex pseudonym is equivalent to a male-sex person demanding that everyone call you Stephanie and claiming it's literal violence if you don't.

Also when they parrot the stuff about Robert Galbraith being a name borrowed from a gay conversion therapist - are they so stupid that they believe this stuff? Or do they just lie and not care?

Again, the lie that Troubled blood had a trans woman serial killer (it didn't) or that Ink Black Heart is about a woman being cancelled for being a transphobe (it isn't) - obviously they are not going to bother to read the book, but do they know they're lying? Or do they just repeat shit that other people say without bothering to check?

In a way I don't really care but their absolute disregard for the facts does make these people impossible to have any kind of rational argument with.

Datun · 07/09/2022 18:13

BoreOfWhabylon · 07/09/2022 15:17

@Datun I hadn't read any of the series but dived straight into TIBH. I'm loving it, especially the twitter and forum exchanges. I'll go back and start reading the series from the beginning once I've finished this one.
(also, I'm convinced JKR posts on MN)

Okay! Good to know. Thank you.

RedToothBrush · 07/09/2022 18:51

BoreOfWhabylon · 07/09/2022 15:17

@Datun I hadn't read any of the series but dived straight into TIBH. I'm loving it, especially the twitter and forum exchanges. I'll go back and start reading the series from the beginning once I've finished this one.
(also, I'm convinced JKR posts on MN)

I believe she does too.

Just a feeling.

FreddieStandensBFF · 07/09/2022 19:39

UnconscionableSnacking · 07/09/2022 12:53

To anyone wondering whether to read the Cormoran Strike series - it is a huge endeavour and overwhelmingly worth it. She's amazing: the series is a masterclass of 'in plain sight' technique - each book is an agatha christie type mystery novel, but the red herrings are all doing double duty as social commentary, the major plot lines are also an exposé of male violence and misogyny, and the meta narrative across the series is masquerading as a romantic plot but is, really, radical feminism 101.

I can't even imagine how much planning has gone into this series. JKR is phenomenal

This, exactly. They are both depressing and an utter joy. She is a queen in so many ways. 😍

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