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I regret to inform you that Jameela Jamil has sinned

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ScreamingMeMe · 02/09/2022 16:59

Accidentally misgendered a non binary person!

I regret to inform you that Jameela Jamil has sinned
I regret to inform you that Jameela Jamil has sinned
I regret to inform you that Jameela Jamil has sinned
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AdamRyan · 04/09/2022 12:20

I'm actually starting to feel a bit sorry for her, she got this response to saying she's been getting death threats

mobile.twitter.com/Ayylith/status/1566248021796745216

Worlds gone mad

PriamFarrl · 04/09/2022 12:37

AdamRyan · 04/09/2022 12:20

I'm actually starting to feel a bit sorry for her, she got this response to saying she's been getting death threats

mobile.twitter.com/Ayylith/status/1566248021796745216

Worlds gone mad

But how can we tell the actual transphobes from people who just look like transphobes? What is to stop someone pretending to be something they aren’t just to fit in?

I regret to inform you that Jameela Jamil has sinned
ScreamingMeMe · 04/09/2022 12:38

Wow, this is still going on? 🙁

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IcakethereforeIam · 04/09/2022 12:41

I hope she's blocking them and reporting the worst. 🏏💩

ScreamingMeMe · 04/09/2022 13:48

In Pink News now:

www.pinknews.co.uk/2022/09/03/jameela-jamil-pronouns-non-binary-twitter/

Jameela Jamil slammed for telling trans people ‘how to stop being misgendered’
LILY WAKEFIELD SEPTEMBER 3, 2022

Jameela Jamil has been slammed on social media for “giving instructions to trans people on how to stop being misgendered”.

On Friday (2 September), the presenter and actor accidentally described a non-binary social media user as a “woman” during a Twitter spat.

But, rather than simply apologising and correcting herself, she laid out some guidelines for trans folk on how to avoid being misgendered.

SHE TWEETED: “I INSTANTLY CORRECTED MYSELF BUT NOBODY READS YOUR BIOS PEOPLE.

“PLEASE INCLUDE YOUR PRONOUNS IN YOUR NAME ON HERE TO PREVENT MISUNDERSTANDINGS/ OFFENCE IF IT’S IMPORTANT TO YOU.

OBVIOUSLY sorry for making this innocent mistake. But if we don’t do more to prevent this mistake it will likely keep happening, which is bad for everyone.

“Put pronouns in your names. I’ve just done that with mine. It took two seconds.”

Jamil, who came out as queer in 2020, was quickly told by many of her followers that trans people should not be responsible for stopping others misgendering them.

One follower told Jamil: “Jameela I’m a big fan (and I do have pronouns in my name) but respectfully it’s not really OK to blame the person you misgendered for misgendering them. It takes two seconds before any interaction to just check the bio.”

“You’re putting the blame on the person you misgendered by saying they aren’t presenting the information in a way that works best for you,” said another. “If you want to be an ally, then own the blame fully yourself and take an extra second to check the bio.”

Activist Felix Fern told her: “I adore you, but this is not it.”

On top of telling trans folk to take responsibility for being misgendered, Fern explained that by adding extra words and emojis to her Twitter profile name, Jamil was making life “more complicated for screen readers”.

They continued: “You’re telling people to do the work for you, when it takes two seconds to check a bio before assuming a pronoun.

“If you’re not sure, either check and/or use gender neutral pronouns like they/them.

“Don’t blame the person you misgendered for your error, and then encourage people to make their profile names less accessible.”

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lemmein · 04/09/2022 13:58

They are all fucking mad - all so feckin 'speshul', annoying fucks!

(3 fucks in one sentence is a PB for me! 👸🏻)

ErrolTheDragon · 04/09/2022 13:58

The thing about not littering a profile name with lots of emojis because it's tough for people who use screen readers seems like a generally sensible point, but isn't it harder for them if they too have to check a bio for pronouns rather than it being there in the profile name?

PostmortemNow · 04/09/2022 14:12

Ooh, Jammela!
I so, so adore you and the rest!
But we're not doing any fucking work for you!
We're so totally non-binary we literally can't.

PostmortemNow · 04/09/2022 14:17

Good grief, Jameela!
A very innocent typo here.
Jameela, of course.

Ja-mee-la, Ja-mee-la, Ja-mee-la!
(that'll teach me)

PostmortemNow · 04/09/2022 14:26

And this piece by Jameela reads like a wet feminist's dream:

"I think so many women have the power to infiltrate misogyny in their own homes. It starts by never taking for granted how poisonous society can be to the male psyche, and protecting boys from the onslaught of misinformation everywhere. They are bombarded with dangerous imagery, song lyrics, peer pressure and often quite damaging/violent/entirely-intimacy-free pornography, all of which is sold to them as a glamorous and realistic norm. Men are throttled with toxic masculinity and given made up ideals that they are forced to subscribe to. They are belittled and rejected when they show signs of sensitivity. They are mocked and insulted when they show their pain or “care too much”. Even the fact that music that is kind to women or talks about feelings, is considered “wet” or labelled “sad boy music.” It’s such a potent, rotten marinade that boys grow up soaked in.
Don’t get me wrong, this isn’t some “poor boys” appeal. It’s just that in my opinion, it’s as if men are recruited young and brainwashed, in order to be indoctrinated and manipulated into an oppressive patriarchal institution. This is a call to arms for the women who have boys growing up in their houses…
We have a lot of work to undo…
Tell him that we are funny. Show him funny women. Tell him we are strong. Tell him that’s a good thing. Tell him it’s cool. Tell him it’s sexy. Show him how strong you are. Don’t just pick up after him. Don’t just pick up after his father. Command the respect you deserve.
Be his friend. Be his teacher. Spend your life with and raise him in front of, a good man who shares your beliefs and respects you.
Do not ever sell yourself short.
We may have to fight our generation of men, (and the one before that,) for our rights, our safety and for our voices to be heard, which is sad and frustrating. But we have a golden window of opportunity to completely shape the future of our entire society from our living rooms. Build these men from scratch to fit women, rather than to take up all the space and force us to compact ourselves to the little corner allocated to us by them.
God we must be pretty amazing to have overcome all of this shit. Tell him."

Just in case, anyone forgot that Jameela's on the side of the angels.

PriamFarrl · 04/09/2022 14:31

I was listening to a program on the radio which was little 3 minute slots given to acts who had been at the Edinburgh Fringe. Each act was introduced as ‘they’. So it was ‘fresh from their sell out tour where they explore their upbringing in a religious cult, it’s Sarah Smith’. Then ‘Sarah’ would start. ‘It can be really hard as a woman in a religious cult…….’ So clearly Sarah identified as a woman. This was the case for every single act. And then I realised. If everyone is referred to as they then you can’t get it wrong. You can’t mis-gender if you don’t specify a gender. Also if everyone is special then no one is.

turbonerd · 04/09/2022 14:56

This is a call to arms for the women who have boys growing up in their houses…
We have a lot of work to undo…
Tell him that we are funny. Show him funny women. Tell him we are strong. Tell him that’s a good thing. Tell him it’s cool. Tell him it’s sexy. Show him how strong you are. Don’t just pick up after him. Don’t just pick up after his father. Command the respect you deserve.
Be his friend. Be his teacher. Spend your life with and raise him in front of, a good man who shares your beliefs and respects you.

oh god.
do you have sons Jameela? Kids? At all?
i do. And i know this will sound strange, but they are their own persons. With their own lives. I didn’t build them, I’m afraid. But a bit of pot luck and they’ll turn out decent.

Keyansier · 04/09/2022 15:02

For what she repeatedly describes as a "hell app" and a "fuck app" she seems to spend a disproportionate amount of time on there.

ScreamingMeMe · 04/09/2022 18:35

Stephen Knight gives Jameela some handy advice

sknight.substack.com/p/i-regret-to-inform-you-someone-was

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TastefulRainbowUnicorn · 04/09/2022 23:25

wet feminist's dream

I see what you did there and I like it. 😁

NotBadConsidering · 04/09/2022 23:28

Jamil should read JKR’s latest Strike book and send her an apology.

ScreamingMeMe · 05/09/2022 11:14

Now they are calling her white! You couldn't make it up

I think she really needs to mute the original tweets and stop replying to TRAS. She's already apologised and explained herself. They are just out for blood and nothing she says is going to help.

Gah, I do feel sorry for her. She's in a new TV show which she's obviously excited about, she should be able to enjoy that.

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bellinisurge · 05/09/2022 11:29

Part of me hates to see her being piled on. The other part of me says that if you sanctimoniously preach your MRA views, you can't expect people to let it go.

Soubriquet · 05/09/2022 11:31

I do feel sorry for her tbh. They are really piling it on.

IcakethereforeIam · 05/09/2022 11:35

There was a, pretty grim, tweet highlighted on Glinner's substack which explains part of the pile on. I won't reproduce because I think it'll certainly be moderated. I am feeling sorry for her. I can't believe it's still going on.

TheBiologyStupid · 05/09/2022 11:37

ScreamingMeMe · 05/09/2022 11:14

Now they are calling her white! You couldn't make it up

I think she really needs to mute the original tweets and stop replying to TRAS. She's already apologised and explained herself. They are just out for blood and nothing she says is going to help.

Gah, I do feel sorry for her. She's in a new TV show which she's obviously excited about, she should be able to enjoy that.

Titania McGrath couldn't make this stuff up (although the death of satire is why she exists, of course).

BordoisAgain · 05/09/2022 11:51

bellinisurge · 05/09/2022 11:29

Part of me hates to see her being piled on. The other part of me says that if you sanctimoniously preach your MRA views, you can't expect people to let it go.

Yes, she was happy enough to join in with the witch-hunts in the past. That said I do think she needs to step away and stop trying to justify herself as it won't appease the mob.

ResisterRex · 05/09/2022 12:16

This episode and subsequent events show that no amount of capitulation or self-flagellation will ever be enough. Which speaks volumes (!!)

RufustheFloralmissingreindeer · 05/09/2022 12:37

Soubriquet · 05/09/2022 11:31

I do feel sorry for her tbh. They are really piling it on.

As upsetting as it is she just said on the tweet above that she’s getting more of a pile on than actual transphobes

which suggests that she thinks its ok to pile on people she thinks are transphobic

I appreciate she’s right in the middle of this and its very upsetting for her, but she should be saying that no one should be piled onto like this, not….pile on them not me

(I get upset at a Christmas box thread so fuck knows what I’d be like in her current position)

Notmanybroadbeans · 05/09/2022 12:41

PriamFarrl · 04/09/2022 14:31

I was listening to a program on the radio which was little 3 minute slots given to acts who had been at the Edinburgh Fringe. Each act was introduced as ‘they’. So it was ‘fresh from their sell out tour where they explore their upbringing in a religious cult, it’s Sarah Smith’. Then ‘Sarah’ would start. ‘It can be really hard as a woman in a religious cult…….’ So clearly Sarah identified as a woman. This was the case for every single act. And then I realised. If everyone is referred to as they then you can’t get it wrong. You can’t mis-gender if you don’t specify a gender. Also if everyone is special then no one is.

To be fair, I think this has always been common practice when introducing a radio guest (or a TV guest waiting unseen in the wings), simply because it builds up the suspense while listeners guess who it could be. I don't think it has anything to do with genderology.

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