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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Genderism as a patriarchal ideology

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RoaringtoLangClegintheDark · 26/08/2022 23:09

This is based on something I posted on another thread which has since been deleted as it was about a particular individual. But the point is a universal one so I hope that as a concept, directed at an ideology rather than any one individual, it can stand.

It is my sincere belief that biologically male people claiming to be women/girls is in itself an act of gross misogyny. People who refer to them as “women” of any kind are colluding with that act of gross misogyny. Whether out of internalised misogyny if they’re female themselves or plain old male-supremacist-based misogyny if they’re male.


It’s misogynistic bigotry. Misogynistic bigots, whether the old fashioned overt sort, or the new fangled covert sort, are not people I see as being worthy of respect. Pandering to them by pretending some biologically male people really are women and calling them “she” is as bad as supporting outright MRAs, and ultimately on a continuum with supporting groups who actively suppress women’s and girls rights, like the Taliban.

It’s all founded on the patriarchal principle of seeing female people as fundamentally lesser than male people, as service humans here to facilitate the lives of the “real” humans, the male ones.


Genderism cannot be seen apart from the context of thousands of years of patriarchy and oppression, control and abuse of the female sex by the male sex. This context is absolutely fundamental and crucial, as is the fact that male oppression, control and abuse of female people is very much ongoing in all parts of the world, not just a historical occurrence.

Members of the oppressor class appropriating the identity and hard-fought-for rights and protections, such as they are, of the oppressed class is in itself an act of oppression. Of control and abuse.

It is impossible for it to be benign as long as there is a power imbalance between male people and female people - and the reality of the biological differences between us means there will always be a power imbalance there, even if we did somehow one day achieve an impossibly utopian state where all the socio-economic power imbalances had been levelled. (And such a day shows no sign of arriving any time soon.)

No woman with an ounce of self respect, or an ounce of care for the rights and safety of women and girls, should be colluding with this massively offensive and damaging shite. It is the same old patriarchy in supposedly modern vestments. It needs to be challenged every bit as much as all the more obvious manifestations of patriarchy. Genderism is essentially inimical to women’s rights, dignity and humanity.

Anyone care to flesh this out some more?

OP posts:
sawdustformypony · 30/08/2022 08:49

Occam's razor is on holiday.

Ofcourseshecan · 30/08/2022 19:01

CandyLeBonBon · 26/08/2022 23:44

People who experience distress when they feel they are not the sex they want to be absolutely deserve support.

Yes, self acceptance should be the ultimate goal, but for some, transitioning to appear as close to the preferred sex, can help. So it's clearly not black and white.

Many people who experience dysphoria find relief in transitioning.

I think the op is framing 'men who think they're women' as misogynistic bigotry is perhaps a little simplistic.

I think this is a very nuanced conversation.

Yes, self acceptance should be the ultimate goal, but for some, transitioning to appear as close to the preferred sex, can help. So it's clearly not black and white.

I think most of us would agree that if a man feels happier dressing as a woman, and having cosmetic surgery to enhance the 'feminine' look, that's up to him.

But it rarely stops there, does it? Men demand the right to use women's spaces and services, take women's jobs and roles, force themselves on lesbians, traumatise women in single-sex refuges etc etc.

That's not a matter of nuance. Women's rights and needs should not be on the table for negotiation. No matter how much happier it makes a man.

And for young women and girls, no, 'transitioning' with drugs and surgery does not help, it really doesn't. They may long to become invisible to a porn-addicted male gaze. But the burgeoning market in transboy pornography shows they are no safer than any other woman.

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