Mother sues all-girls school for not accepting trans daughter

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www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11119965/Brisbane-private-school-Carinity-Education-Southside-allegedly-discriminated-against-trans-girl.html

The school say it’s because they didn’t meet the requirements as the school is for marginalised children. In terms of a legal defence, does Australia have anything like the Equality Act where males can be legitimately excluded?

Unfortunately, Australia has drunk the kool-aid on this.

I am not in Australia and know nothing about their equivalent of the equalities act.

Looking at the school's own website ot is interesting that all the photos show only female pupils but all the language is bery carefully gender-neutral. They don't seem to have their full admissions policy published but their history says they were foubded to enable young women who got pregnant before the end of school to be able to continue their education. I suspect that they are open to all vulnerable young people who have a female body, including transmen and nonbinary people with xx chromosomes.. in that context it wouldn't be appropriate for a transgirl who is male-bodied to identify in to the criteria for admission as the criteria are deliberately totally neutral as far as gender-identity is concerned.

I expect she just wants the argument. There must be other mixed schools the child can attend where there would not be this problem.

As an aside poor child on hormone blockers 😔

It would be much better if she taught her child that not everything is for them and other people matter, including the child's sister.

I remember that Julia Gillard was involved in including Gender identity in the discrimination laws (I am a bit fuzzy now on the wording, it has been a while since I read through it) in 2013. After Yogyakarta.

I will go and refresh my memory. I have heard it said that it adds complexity to these decisions. It will be a case to watch though, because it will alert many Australians who are unaware of what is happening.

Looking at the school's own website ot is interesting that all the photos show only female pupils but all the language is bery carefully gender-neutral.

Earlier this year, I attended a leavers ceremony for a girl’s school. And every mention of the word ‘girl’ by speakers was noted with an obvious shared glance of disdain between two teachers wearing rainbow lanyards.

It was not subtle and was noticed by others, not just me, including some of the girls at the ceremony.

So apparently the child doesn't meet the criterion of being marginalised, which is an entirely fair reason to exclude them. If it wasn't for that, I'm not sure whether they could legitimately exclude the child on the grounds of being male. In Australia some states have implemented gender self-ID for adults, but I don't think it applies to children.

Those two teachers really shouldn’t be teaching girls if they think the word girl is such a ‘dirty’ word. What message does that send to the girls at the school.

Would the mother not ask herself if her child’s best interests are served in that school? Obviously child knows they have been rejected.

As the school has a requirement that a child is not enrolled or attending another school it suggests that the trans child has a place elsewhere where their needs are met. I gather it priorities those where there maybe a need other schools cannot offer. Seems reasonable to me. Gather this has been going on since March and some mediation has taken place but the mother isn’t happy.

What would be the situation for this scenario in England? Does anyone know? We have a couple of girls Grammar schools in our are and one fairly famous all girls private school.

Australia’s sex discrimination laws have both sex and gender identity, which means they’re in conflict with each other. Sall Grover’s Giggle vs Tickle case was going to be the first test of this in court before it was dropped. So there was never been a challenge to it.

I believe that legally, the way it is written, neither trumps the other and comes down to the case argued. Which is shit.

The school isn't saying they are denying them a place because the child is transgender. They even say they have other transgender pupils, although I'd hazard a guess that they are trans boys.

Hormone blockers at 12 though, how can children that age (and I'm assuming Harley was younger, when prescribed) make these decisions?

I find this so confusing. Surely trans girls want to be referred to as "girls" - isn't that the point? So what's the beef with referring to the students as girls? Is it because some of them might not identify as girls?

So what's the beef with referring to the students as girls? Is it because some of them might not identify as girls?

I imagine some might be transboys or non-binary. But really the the teachers weren't behaving appropriately and the answer isn't to eliminate the word girl.

A fine example.of wanting things both ways. Remaining in a girls school then objecting to being called a girl.. erm no.

And this also could be an example of the delicate nature if some "allies " who constantly get offended on the behalf of others. Those girls who are trans identifying may be quite happy to he doing so in the knowledge they wont be placed in unsafe positions or have to make a choice between their safety and their identity. Its the safe place to explore identity and thats a positive for those female children. They may not be asking for the interference of teachers desperately seeking to validate their SJW statuses

From the school website

Carinity Education SoCarinity Education Southside is one of five schools operated by Carinity. Our brother school in Hervey Bay, Carinity Education Glendyne, is based on a similar education model and is co-educational.

So the same education is provided at a different site just in a co-ed setting.

If the mum doesn’t like it, she could send all her kids to the co-ed school. I feel sorry for the girls currently attending the school. It must be difficult to feel under attack in this way.

The school’s position seems to be that there are other factors which mean that this poor child does not qualify as a pupil.other schools are available.

I fear that this is an example of MbP in action. The mother ( the father does not seem to be involved) has not only subjected her child to a dangerous medical intervention at a very young age, she now seems to weaponising the child in her relentless search for attention.

This is my interpretation as well.

Thanks Julia Gillard! If I remember correctly, she was directly involved in this.

There are no males in that school until 6th form which has separated buildings.

This was a ceremony only for female students being a girl's school. So, yes, those teachers were obviously showing their displeasure at referring to the students as 'girls' and not as generic 'students'.

And this action was also directed towards speakers were directly talking about about empowering girls specifically in relation to discrimination. Some were from outside the school - and were inspirational young women from the local community.

Suella Braverman clarified this in her recent speech: girls' schools can legitimately exclude male children identifying as trans, and vice versa.

I’m not usually this superficial but I can’t get past the names in the Giggle vs Tickle case. It’s like some kind of Mister Men showdown 😂😂😂🤦🏻‍♀️

As you were….

I don’t know about all schools but the GDST have said they’ll based admissions on legal sex as recorded on the birth certificate.

I find it hard to understand disdain for the word 'girl' as anything other than misogyny. It isn't a dirty word.

Identify as anything you like. If you have a penis you are a male!