Mother sues all-girls school for not accepting trans daughter

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www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11119965/Brisbane-private-school-Carinity-Education-Southside-allegedly-discriminated-against-trans-girl.html

The school say it’s because they didn’t meet the requirements as the school is for marginalised children. In terms of a legal defence, does Australia have anything like the Equality Act where males can be legitimately excluded?

The trans advice for Queensland government schools is horrifying - and quite obviously lifted from American trans ideology (Australians do not refer to bathrooms, yet these guidelines are full of the term). The fall out from this will be horrific…

Excellent this kind of case really needs to happen to publicise the issues. I've yet to hear from a TRA precisely how it is transphobic to group female people inclusive of all gender IDs, but it does seem to be.

A private girls school near me is working on its Stonewall gold award. I've often wondered if they would let my (fairly gnc, constantly miss-sexed) son sit the 11 plus? If not, would they let him sit it if he said special words? And if he says special words in the future, won't the narrative be that he was always she, so shouldn't they let him sit it on the off-chance?

The "bathroom" thing is really helpful in day to day conversion.

If someone who's not American uses the word, you know you're probably dealing with someone who has swallowed a whole package of ideas together. They will likely feel strongly, but not actually thought much of it through.

Indeed if you HAD a penis but lopped it off you're still male too!

What a strange article. How an earth does the mother think her child was discrimanted against? Her child wasn't not accepted because they are transgender. Her child was not accepted because it is a girls school and her child is male.
If this was a boys or co-ed school then yes there would be some discrimination but of course her male child has no place in a girls school! There just isn't the provision there for males. The school said it has some children who identify as transgender, but they are of course female, they accept all females.

What do you mean? Of course we call them bathrooms here. What else would they be called? I’m completely GC and I don’t think Australia is anywhere near as captured as the UK on trans ideology but we are certainly not on the right path.

StClare101

What do you mean? Of course we call them bathrooms here. What else would they be called? I’m completely GC and I don’t think Australia is anywhere near as captured as the UK on trans ideology but we are certainly not on the right path.

Yes. Bathroom, toilet, loo. All in regular use.

And I think that some states are as 'captured' more than others, but the public are not yet aware of it. When I was over, very few friends knew anything about the law changes and what it all means. Yet, I went into the Myer's female changing rooms and found a sign at the entrance stating it was for 'females only' specifically. So, it is really hard to judge as it is not like the UK experience that I have been involved in.

I respectfully disagree.

In my experience, Australia has been thoroughly captured at a government and media level. Less so in the pub.

There is a handy chart here:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_rights_in_Australia

It was only a matter of time until this began to happen. Given that many children who transition very young probably were strongly encouraged by their parents, it was inevitable that the same parents would insist on their special child being eligible for specific sex based things from which their children ought to be excluded.

In my experience, Australia has been thoroughly captured at a government and media level.

I think there will be some disbelief in seeing that the laws have been changed in some states without people being even aware. QLD, VIC, ACT and I think TAS have all made significant changes that many people are still not aware of.

And yes, the media is very captured. I watched in horror at the media reaction to Kath Deves and I think there are some balanced voices such as Bernard Lane, but there is plenty of captured media. ABC leads the way.

There is a handy chart here

Chilling chart.

@StClare101
“What do you mean? Of course we call them bathrooms here. What else would they be called? I’m completely GC and I don’t think Australia is anywhere near as captured as the UK on trans ideology but we are certainly not on the right path.”

The document I mentioned refers to the toilets as “bathrooms” - as in the child may decide which bathroom to use at school.

At both primary school and high school (and also at Uni), the toilets are called just that - girls or female toilets/boys or male toilets. They were never referred to as the girl’s bathroom or men’s bathroom - they are Americanisms that we simply do not use to refer to lavatories.

Of course, we have bathrooms in our homes/etc - but I don’t know any Australians that say “I need to go to the bathroom” rather than “I need to go to the toilet”.

It was pretty shocking when a court in Tasmania ruled that lesbians were no longer allowed to organise lesbian only events. That’s an awful state of affairs. I feel like at least women in the UK (mostly) have the law on their side even if some of the lower courts have got the law wrong to start with. This ruling is state sanctioned homophobia. Hopefully it’ll be overturned at appeal.

afterellen.com/tasmania-rules-against-women-only-spaces/

Also - the Queensland Government is completely captured.
The trans guide for the education sector details everything from the school needing to help a trans child socially transition because the parents might then realise and accept it, to allowing a transgender student to pick which sex toilets, change room and accommodations they want to use, to detailed examples of what would be discrimination against transgender students (as gender identity is a protected characteristic in Queensland).
All of this is frightening, anyone with daughters should be horrified that any male child can self-identify as a female and start using the female toilets, change rooms and accommodation for camps/etc. at both primary and secondary level.
Of course, this is on the back of the Queensland Government’s proposal that anyone can change the sex marker on their birth certificate - but only once in any 12 month period…..

The entitlement of the mother is off the scale.

There are many co ed schools where her male child can have any identity and gender they choose.

But no. They have to deprive all female children of having a female only space, on principle, so a male child can have the validation of being in an all female space. (While removing this same experience they want from every single girl in the school.)

Wholly unacceptable.

I’m Australian and that’s exactly what I say, as do my kids. Your post is so strange.

I agree with difficultbloodywoman we are absolutely captured at a govt level and worse than the uk, but suspect your average Joe is a bit mystified by it all. And we use bathrooms all the time! I was at Melbourne airport yesterday and the (fairly new?) bathrooms in domestic were amazing - huge clean family bathroom with changing centre and microwave and zip tap, feeding room, parent child toilets, then mens,
womens, disabled, a separate gender neutral one. This really felt like best practice for lots and lots of reasons, so easy to take two children and a baby in!

Presumably many Australians come from families from elsewhere. UK families use bathroom regularly so I would imagine do second and third gen immigrants.

Maybe it is state/territory word usage - no one in the states I have lived in used “bathroom” for toilets, similarly they don’t use “restrooms” or call the toilet a potty.

My actual point was that the document appears to be written from an American perspective. It is confused and uses contradictory definitions, it interchangeably uses sex and gender, variously uses transgirl/transboy/transfemale/transmale and is quite specific about the discrimination charges that could be laid if the child was not treated as/affirmed as/permitted to use the facilities of the sex they say they are.

Private schools in Australia are exempt from discrimination laws (other than discrimination on basis of race); they can set their own entrance criteria. This mother is obviously trying to prove something/looking for attention; why else would you try for an independent, religious school for your transgender child? There are many other schooling options in Brisbane which would have been more suitable for the child. Mum not putting the needs of her child first here.

It will be interesting to see how schools react to Suella’s clarification.

When a student transitioned at our school (boys schol) some teachers questioned if they should be in the school as they were now a ‘girl’. We were told that it was their sex at admission that counted - this is clearly not the legal stance as this would mean trans boys could be allowed in which goes against What SB has just said.

Right now, one of our girls grammar schools actively affirms students’ transition with names pronouns etc without the parents knowledge. I’m pretty sure this is happening in a lot of schools as trans ideology is running rampant in education.

Is that right @Norabuzz are they just exempt? They certainly aren’t for hiring staff.

God it's tedious. In adulthood, sex is being eroded in favour of "people with . . . " and now it's going for the children. Female children are being groomed to accept anything as female, and the word "girl" is being eroded. Meanwhile in the adult trans world "You go Girl!" and other phrases are totally fine.

deeperthanallroses employment of staff would be subject to usual workplace legislation; so discrimination laws would apply to hiring of teachers. But they are exempt from discrimination legislation (again, except for race discrimination) in the setting of the entrance criteria for students. This enables the schools to discriminate entry on the grounds of sex, religion, academic ability etc.

Really? I am British, born and bred. I wouldn’t call a room a bathroom unless it had a bath in it, otherwise it is just a toilet or a loo. Maybe it depends how much American telly a family has been exposed to…