Raab to block males from female prison estate?

[ResisterRex]

This may be on the cards:

twitter.com/noxyinxxprisons/status/1555956326060249089?s=21&t=bhepGueyTNu0MOGhYNTNEw

www.mailplus.co.uk/edition/news/209515/raab-block-male-trans-prisoners-from-womens-jails

Last year, it was revealed there were 40 transgender prisoners in women’s prisons in England and Wales. Almost all of those were born male.

According to Sex Matters:

There are around 3,800 women in prison in England and Wales (under 5% of the prison population). Women tend to have committed significantly fewer serious violent offences or sexual offences than men.

sex-matters.org/where-sex-matters/prisons/

iirc, it's previously been unknown whether the only transgender people in cross sex estates that can be counted are those who do not have a GRC.

It will be interesting to see if either the use of this policy by Ministers or the legal challenges come to pass.

The whistleblower at Bronzefield, the UK’s largest women’s prison with 527 inmates, said: ‘Every time there is a transgender male-to-female with a male organ brought into the prison the female prisoners are extremely uncomfortable and upset. But the women prisoners don’t feel they can complain because they think nothing will be done.’

A Government source said Mr Raab’s new policy will have to be signed off by Cabinet once a new Prime Minister is installed. It’s likely to face legal challenges from pro-trans campaigners and human rights lawyers. But if it gets the green light then an inmate in a men’s prison will only be allowed to switch to a women’s jail if a Minister authorises the move.

Cautiously.... yes! This is the result of heroic work to point out the grotesque and obvious injustice of women being locked up by a State that refused to do the simplest thing to stop them being raped.

Yes!!

Lisa Nandy will be having kittens.

As the government have presided over this shit show, unravelling the harm seems the least Raab can do.

Does anyone know if this is just going to effect England or will it be UK wide?

Great

Good.

There should be no circumstances where any male is housed in the female estate.

House them all together in one place in the male estate, or let them serve their time mixed in with the rest of their natal sex, but not a one of them belongs in a womens prison & the same goes for how their crimes are recorded.

Trans crimes are not womens crimes unless committed by a female who is presenting as male.

If the plans are that a Minister (Raab) has to sign off a move of a male into the female estate then is that more solid than a change of policy position? At first it sounded not. But then I thought that - when we get a Labour government (and surely we will at some point, law of averages and all that) - it means they will have to publicly account for saying yes. If that's their decision in the future, of course.

About bloody time!

I thought the government already introduced trans wings into the prison system?

If they can't maintain SSE in the prison system, God knows where they think it can be.

@Namerchangerextraordinaire
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I thought the government already introduced trans wings into the prison system?

Richard Garside
''Had the prison service not decided to turn the Josephine Butler Unit at Downview into a unit to hold male prisoners, it could have been an option to house young female prisoners. But instead they are being housed in a male young offender institution.''
twitter.com/RichardJGarside/status/1420671069221007363

There should be no circumstances where any male is housed in the female estate.

Agreed.

More on Downview from KPSS. E wing now appears to be mixed sex, some female inmates chose to move there to shield during COVID which means that high risk trans prisoners with a GRC are being housed in the female prison estate. They are still not being risk assessed using male risk assessment criteria because they are recorded as female prisoners. KPSS also points out that resources allocated for female prisoners are being spent on males.

kpssinfo.org/the-transgender-unit-e-wing/

Because males were housed (unsuccessful, it appears) into the female estate, young women had to be housed in the male estate?

This decision shouldn't be made by a minister because that makes women's single sex prison space a political issue. So it would remain single sex under a Tory government (for the moment) and be a free for all under a Labour govt.

A separate area with guards who are trained in whatever issues are relevant to that prison population should be established. It could be a world leader in terms of treating trans prisoners with dignity and conducting research into that groups recidivism rates, violence or self harm rates etc - whatever is studied in other prison groups - so that issues specific that population in prison can be addressed. It could be very beneficial to trans prisoners, instead of their issues being enveloped within other groups.

And it would not be contained on any part of the women's estate. If it's within an established prison it should be part of the male estate.

The insider said the killer had allegedly been overheard saying ‘I’m going to f* you’ to one prisoner, and on another occasion said: ‘I love p*y – why would I want to be in a man’s prison?’

Quite. Why indeed?

Surely there cant be many people left unable to see this for what it is?

What an achievement by KPSS. Fantastic work.

Also in the Telegraph which ends:

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/08/06/trans-prisoners-will-not-housed-women/

"A source for Rishi Sunak’s campaignn_ said he would implement the policy if he becomes prime minister. The source said: “Rishi agrees it is right to have even tougher rules around male-bodied prisoners entering women’s jails. Of course we have to treat transgender prisoners with respect, but we have a duty to protect biological women and Rishi would do that as prime minister.”"

Both the Mail and Telegraph say the government might be legally challenged. I'm not sure that would be a good move by TRAs. But it would show the public what FWR know, OTOH.

Telegraph article in here:

twitter.com/cforwomenuk/status/1556073650322817028?s=21&t=LWLQzph_XeI4hab-xhC3fg

What it shows I think is that it is a vote winner. Which is very important.

telegraph and daily mail etc readers seem to often have a very odd dissonance when it comes to women rights - very happy to be incredibly sexist at times but ultimately with things like womens safety seem to take quite a clear line. It I think often comes from a conservative view of “protecting our women” but honestly ultimately that is better than the absolute abandonment of womens rights and protections by the so called left

They need to go in a vulnerable prisoners wing of a men’s prison.
Imagine being locked in a cell or having to share shower/toilets with a man. Its idiotic, and the tax payer pays the price when the woman quite rightly sues for rape/assault.

Yes.

How about that!!

All those posts over the past few years saying ‘this is a niche issue’, ‘it is not a priority’, ‘it is not time’, No one is interested in these issues, it isn’t brought up on doorstops or at surgeries.

Well, I guess it must be time.

And this issue will not fit back into the bottle people tried to keep sealed tight. If these two candidates are discussing these issues consistently in their campaigns, labour and LD party can no longer avoid them. The Labour and LD party will be having to rewrite their campaigning strategies for next general election.

I’ve written to my labour mp a few times and stated quite clearly I am now a single issue voter and I won’t vote for labour unless it changes its position on women rights.

first response was some guff about protecting everyone’s right blah blah blah. Second response was more circumspect. He’s reading Trans over the summer.

So if it could be challenged as an issue for the human rights of the trans, why cannot the human rights of the women be a counter issue? After all the women are supposedly human, aren't they?

Getting the law changed is vital on this issue. Currently it is lawful to house males in the female estate, which is grossly unfair to women. Even the female prisoner who bought a case against the government was told it was legal, though perhaps not desirable. I hope we end up in a position where womens prisons are truly single sex, no males no matter what surgeries they’ve had done, hormones they’re taking etc.