Raab to block males from female prison estate?

[ResisterRex]

This may be on the cards:

twitter.com/noxyinxxprisons/status/1555956326060249089?s=21&t=bhepGueyTNu0MOGhYNTNEw

www.mailplus.co.uk/edition/news/209515/raab-block-male-trans-prisoners-from-womens-jails

The significant explosion in numbers, especially of trans sex offenders, means that it's now realistic to provide a specialist resource, well away from women.

I really hope this goes through. But I think just bringing the issue up and making the general public aware is a step in the right direction.

I want politicians to have to stand up and declare that, yes, they think that male bodied people should be locked in cells with female bodied people, most of whom have experienced rape, sexual assault, and abuse from male bodied people. Say out loud that they are OK with locking rapists up with women.

@GingerPCatt

Nandy did just that.

And I hope it will one day be the torpedo that destroyed her political credibility for ever.

Because she's either thick as mince, or so breathtakingly callous that I wouldn't trust her to push shopping trolleys round a car park.

Jesus wept.
Next they’ll be locking up pedophiles up somewhere there are children… oh wait.

Well it is only two hundred years since Elizabeth Fry campaigned for it

‘Because she's either thick as mince, or so breathtakingly callous that I wouldn't trust her to push shopping trolleys round a car park.’

It’s callousness. She doesn’t care at all about legitimate female discomfort.

Might slow down the rise of 'prison onset gender dysphoria' if there was no chance ever of being placed in the female estate. It would be interesting to see.

Nandy did back track a bit in an interview with someone (can't remember who) it was a one on one YouTube type thing but Nandy then did the squirrel manoeuvre blathering on about her young trans constituent.

I'd bloody love some journalist to do their job and say yes, you have one trans constituent. But you want to run the whole country so what about the 51% of the population?

‘Nandy did back track a bit in an interview with someone (can't remember who) it was a one on one YouTube type thing’

Did she? In what way?

I'll see if I can find it @achillestoes it was around the time of the GE 2019 I think, it was posted on here.

The backtrack was minimal Nandy segued immediately into her poor trans constituent waffle.

Of course no journalist ever puts the tough question as to why Nandy's one trans constituent means that paedophile rapists should be placed in the female prison estate if they decide they are women.

It's high time journalists did their jobs and held people like Nandy to account for her utterances. The interview I'm talking about the interviewer didn't it was the usual crap.

www.facebook.com/watch/?v=2515951105311963

This is the one, I think @achillestoes

Exactly.

Yes, I want someone to ask Nandy this in every interview. She’s a possible Home Secretary. We need to know this.

Yes!

Yep.

This is the crux of the problem with the EA2010, excellent piece of legislation in many ways, that discrimination on the grounds of sex is lawful in certain circumstances but not mandatory. That's why the MoJ policy is lawful - they may discriminate but they don't have to.

I agree it shouldn't be a minister. It should be plain common sense and in straightforward policy.

However, as we will have a change in political majority at some time, going this route means whoever is going to have to make the decision cannot duck it. There's no hiding behind excuses. If a future decision is made to house males with females, that politician will have to own it.

Given the radio silence from the Labour frontbench on recent other developments (GIDS), I wonder if they would do it. I wonder if anyone would have this squarely at their door.

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If a future decision is made to house males with females, that politician will have to own it.

Think you're being a wee bit optimistic there @ResisterRex. Politicians rarely own any of their fuck ups. I'd like the politicians responsible for the housing of over 40 male bodied folk in women's prisons today, own it.

@TooBigForMyBoots this is what the article said:

"Mr Raab plans to implement a new policy whereby Ministers have to sign off any move of a male-bodied inmate to a women’s prison even if they self-identify as a woman."

They will be directly linked to the decision.

Does anyone know how many trans women are in the female estate?

I too don’t think this should be a ministerial decision as a future labour government could have no issues with saying yes and this shouldn’t be an issue that changes every four years. It should be a blanket no imo. A separate prison could work.
politicising this means it’ll just be fought over continually and a culture war talking point. It shouldn’t be, it should just be a clear policy not one that changes with each change of government or even within the same government with reshuffle.