Ladies Junior J Shield Semi Final #everythingsgoinggreatinireland

[miri1985]

Saw the photos of this on reddit (www.reddit.com/r/ireland/comments/wh2bl3/trans_inclusive_gaa_le_na_gaeil_aeracha/) and assumed it was a mixed game until I read here that this was the junior womens final
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"While Valentino’s exact age is unknown, in a 2021 panel interview he stated he had been playing sports for “over 30 years.” "

The Journal is being biased as fuck.

Woody, no!

Keith Wood: Trans women should keep playing rugby on case-by-case basis

To be fair, he is somewhat attempting to stay on the fence. But it's hard to believe a former player could say that males should be able to play contact rugby against women. Maybe he should read this BBC article about one male player folding a woman opponent "like a deckchair" and injuring teammates in training.

The response on Twitter is not kind: twitter.com/NewstalkFM

People who suggest case by case basis trot it out thinking it would be fairer without considering what it would be like to be told if you're genuinely suffering from dysphoria that you're too masculine to play. I think a blanket ban is kinder compared to the panel system like US swimming is proposing. Sometimes people just need to be told "no"

There is no case by case basis. On my Twitter timeline I've had some utter melt saying that she's been harassed in the women's toilets because she's had a haircut. She's about 4 foot nothing and looks 100% female.

What happened at the All Together Now festival?

@Wanderingowl Rachel Moran and Stella O'Malley gave a talk about "sex and intimacy", nothing gender critical but after their talk All Together Now denounced them and issued a statement apologising for hosting them theres a thread on it with more info here www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4603332-all-together-now-festival-well-everyone-but-rachel-moran-stella-omalley-that-is

Its made the DM with photos
www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-11099321/Women-BANNED-Twitter-speaking-transgender-Dublin-ladies-footballer-player.html

Leo's stuck his oar in about about the decision to restrict womans rugby to females, apparently we need to listen to the voices of those affected (he means listen to trans women not women) no mention of the science behind the world rugby decision www.thejournal.ie/rugby-trans-varadkar-comments-5838939-Aug2022/
No mention from the Tanaiste or any other TD that I've seen about Irish children (majority autistic) being sent to the Tavistock despite alarms being raised by clinicians for years

Also the Irish involvement in sending children to the Tavistock is being criticised in local media galwaybayfm.ie/galway-bay-fm-news-desk/galway-gp-backs-calls-for-review-into-hse-referrals-to-uk-clinic-for-gender-identity-issues/

Did the Leak mention the State employees who are objecting to being subject to sexual harrassment in the work place in Limerick Womens Prison?
Was he listening to them?
When it became part ot the Dail record did he ask why a male child rapist was being housed in a prison where by law women can keep their babies? Or was he and the rest of the government busy approving the idea that self ID should be rolled out to children of any age?
He is a doctor so he can't claim not to understand the risks of concussion etc. But he is careful not to mention the word trans at all just most effected so he can roll back to say he always referred to women who are excluded by males.

There is no way any a politician is going to make a voluntary statement about a potential tribunal into the health service.
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That's not surprising (if I'm remembering correctly about who is on their journalist staff-list). I wouldn't be waiting for any change there.

Terrible article in the IT today on the IRFU ruling. Apparently the fact that men will pretty routinely beat women in sports is an opinion (and there we were thinking it was science and that there was scientific evidence). It is so weird how all the records and evidence show them to be bigger, faster, stronger and yet it is in fact all an opinion. I cannot roll my eyes far enough back to express how I feel about the paper printing this disinformation.

On the other hand Breda O'Brien has written a good piece more about Tavistock and ROGD but it will be dismissed because it is Breda (and I might have been guilty of that approach to her on other issues. Karma is biting me in the ass!)

" Terrible article in the IT today on the IRFU ruling. Apparently the fact that men will pretty routinely beat women in sports is an opinion (and there we were thinking it was science and that there was scientific evidence). It is so weird how all the records and evidence show them to be bigger, faster, stronger and yet it is in fact all an opinion. "

The writer (Derek Byrne) is a gay man, who references growing up at a time when it was illegal to be gay, and the impact of the AIDS epidemic and associated stigma.

I think he is trying hard to empathise and understand - he says " in winning people over, one ultimately has to try to see things from the other point of view ".
The problem with this is, that when one (GC women) are not listened to, we have nowhere to go, other than to harden our position.

"Being kind" is my default position, and I have tried hard to see things from another point of view.
I have found myself becoming less flexible on this issue, as any flexibility is exploited as a weakness.

Someone else on a thread here described it better than I can. If you start with "being kind" to an 8yo boy and allowing him to be "her" and go to the girls bathroom, then you end up with Guilia Valentino tackling a woman half Guilia's strength on the football pitch.

So, my position is that the 8yo needs support, and consideration. Part of being kind to the 8yo is gently introducing them to the reality of sexed bodies, and reassuring them that they can dress as they wish, play with dolls or crafts or any of the other stuff that is "girly"codology. Isn't it wonderful that this is the type of boy/man that they are.
My position is also deeply sympathetic to any past trauma or abuse that Guilia may have experienced, and I would offer support to Guilia to address that. But, sorry, not inclusion in the women's team.
Maybe the men's team could try being a being kinder.

The writer makes clear that he feels quite conflicted (as any LGB activist probably does now that they're a LGBT activist). I get his discomfort but this is a situation where there isn't a nice easy solution that we're just not looking at. The whole approach by activists here has been to push hard under the radar and there has been no consideration or thought given to women. And yet we (the women) are supposed to just be kinder which seems to mean we are to roll over and pretend that we're losing nothing and that there are no real issues or risks. He's more than a little naive/disingenuous.

This is the problem the TRAs have - which is of their own making. All of their demands must be met. Any concession is a betrayal any discussion is bigotry. No Debate.

So they will end up losing everything.

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I think he is trying hard to empathise and understand - he says " in winning people over, one ultimately has to try to see things from the other point of view ".

Let me guess, TMAM except when it comes to dating?

Yes exactly - the cognitive dissonance is laughable. Just like TWAW, except when LOJ wants a surrogate for a baby and needs an actual woman.

It's a luxury belief that they can peddle to gain brownie points among their community, without it ever affecting them the way it impacts women and girls.

I'm getting a bit sick of gay men in the public eye doing that faux naiveté 'what's the problem?' (Graham Norton etc.). Really it's just more men telling women how to feel/ what to think.

So much hand wringing and 'it's complicated' when it comes to men somehow not getting what they want. If only there was similar consideration when women's views/ needs are taken into account.

But no, in one sweeping motion everything was wiped from under us, without a second thought really. No handwringing there, not even a sniff - some of the people involved in the Yogyakarta principles even admitted years later that at the time they never considered the impact this would have on women.

And we're not even supposed to complain, lest we seem unkind.

"And we're not even supposed to complain, lest we seem unkind."

Been thinking about this a lot lately, is a long term lie ever kind? In the moment occassionally lying is the kindest thing to do, to save someone from embarassment but long term, it seems cruel to perpetuate an untruth.

I think TRA's are terrified of people putting an asterisk next to their slogan as any exception shows the untruth of the slogan if instead of TWAW its TWAW *except for sport. Then they're not the same as women and they've lost their no debate because theres already one exception to their slogan.

I bookmarked this incredible tweet a few weeks ago, I think it shows exactly what the expectation of us to just be kind is costing women as a class

mobile.twitter.com/BlakeBlakebabee/status/1555734871225511938
"It’s stunning that Women now live in a society that has legally defined their physical reality as a psychological condition suffered by males. They don’t even view us as fully Human and deserving of the right to define ourselves based on our shared biological reality."

miri1985

I bookmarked this incredible tweet a few weeks ago, I think it shows exactly what the expectation of us to just be kind is costing women as a class

mobile.twitter.com/BlakeBlakebabee/status/1555734871225511938
"It’s stunning that Women now live in a society that has legally defined their physical reality as a psychological condition suffered by males. They don’t even view us as fully Human and deserving of the right to define ourselves based on our shared biological reality."

Thanks for that, I tend to stay off Twitter because of the vitriol, but that thread is brilliant. Here's another few gems from it:

The sheer number of men (and some women), now dedicated to revising history, making false analogies, denying genuine ones, attacking the dictionary, curriculum, medical practice, women's sports, facilities, scholarships, rights, liberties, spaces and institutions, is terrifying.

No other lobbying group has had such success in such a short period of time. Women's rights took centuries, gay rights took decades yet trans rights has infiltrated organisations and governments in record time. Why the hell is that?

Tells you all you need to know, doesn't it?
These supposed 'gains' we've made over the past couple of thousand years - well, they're all just 'cosmetic' - rather like the male facsimiles of ourselves we now find taking our places in sports, politics and business...