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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Ladies Junior J Shield Semi Final #everythingsgoinggreatinireland

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miri1985 · 05/08/2022 21:55

Saw the photos of this on reddit (www.reddit.com/r/ireland/comments/wh2bl3/trans_inclusive_gaa_le_na_gaeil_aeracha/) and assumed it was a mixed game until I read here that this was the junior womens final
reduxx.info/irish-lgbtq-inclusive-football-team-with-transgender-player-wins-womens-junior-final/

"While Valentino’s exact age is unknown, in a 2021 panel interview he stated he had been playing sports for “over 30 years.” "

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ScreamingMeMe · 06/08/2022 16:40

Abhannmor · 06/08/2022 09:31

If this outrage doesn't Peak Ireland , what will ffs?

My local club was suspended for 12 months by the County Board for playing an unregistered player on two occasions. It was just some clerical oversight. But at least that player had no unfair advantage!

Not really a big GAA fan but I'm defo getting onto my local club about this. When we suggest doing anything for kids or teenagers round here some jobsworth says ' We can't do that cos : Insurance! ' Now we'll see about that....

I thought Barbie Khardashian would have!

donquixotedelamancha · 06/08/2022 16:50

The man in question is quoted as saying he was competing for the first time after his transition.

What bloody ‘transition?’ I mean seriously, look at the pic of him playing in the game - what’s he done that would look (to anyone sane) like he’s made any serious effort to “live as a woman”

Pure transphobia. These days all you have to do to change Gender is close your eyes, think about pink, frilly things then click your heels three times and say 'I identify as a teenage girl'. Sex is a social construct now; it's Science- just ask Judith Butler.

If you look at those photos and see a bald middle age bloke rather than a stunning and brave young woman then you are the problem.

Hopefully they will let her bring her whole self to the club- Nazi themed fetish wear and all.

donquixotedelamancha · 06/08/2022 16:52

people tried to ask me if I could use a separate changing room and it wasn’t fair at all" 🤔

What monsters. Showering with the girls is essential to her identity. Why can't people just be kind.

viques · 06/08/2022 17:11

pombear · 06/08/2022 15:12

www.sportingpride.ie/events/transgender-participation-in-sport

At 7 mins: "honestly I am quite annoyed by some harsh approach that I got, I just had like, people tried to ask me if I could use a separate changing room and it wasn’t fair at all" 🤔

Do you remember those competitions they used to have in print newspapers, a picture of a football match with the ball airbrushed out? Maybe they should bring Spot the Balls back, 21st Century style………..

ThinkingaboutLangClegosaurus · 06/08/2022 17:14

viques · 06/08/2022 17:11

Do you remember those competitions they used to have in print newspapers, a picture of a football match with the ball airbrushed out? Maybe they should bring Spot the Balls back, 21st Century style………..

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Crunchingleaf · 06/08/2022 18:16

ScreamingMeMe · 06/08/2022 16:40

I thought Barbie Khardashian would have!

It doesn’t make the mainstream media so vast, vast majority of people don’t know about these things. Anyone I have spoken to IRL about this stuff thinks it’s madness.

ARoombaOfOnesOwn · 06/08/2022 18:32

Not sure how long this will stay up, but this is believed to be the same person.

ScreechingEchoChamber · 06/08/2022 18:45

Reported on Reduxx.

Said person has an open Facebook profile which shows they is quite happy to share their love of bondage, fetish etc.

reduxx.info/irish-lgbtq-inclusive-football-team-with-transgender-player-wins-womens-junior-final/

EsmaCannonball · 06/08/2022 19:54

So a self-described 'trans-dyke,' ie heterosexual man, with a BDSM fetish is allowed to use the same locker room as 16 year old girls? He also said that when playing men's team sports he became uncomfortable with the male environment. But any woman who says she's uncomfortable with men invading the female environment is immediately branded a hateful bigot. This guy was allowed to escape into the female domain but where can women escape to now?

ScreechingEchoChamber · 06/08/2022 20:49

I find it a bit strange that so many people are outraged about this when they are happy to accept transwomen as women in prison, changing rooms, and single-sex services. If TWAW then this is absolutely fine, surely?

Then again, it's mostly men. They presumably aren't fussed about women's privacy, safety or dignity, but get riled when they think their entertainment is at risk of getting spoiled.

NotTerfNorCis · 06/08/2022 21:35

I saw the picture and couldn't believe at first that it's the one on the right who's the transwoman. There's no clue in the picture that this person identifies as female.

twitter.com/JournalistJill/status/1555610933266890752?t=2Nt-ddsgMaQJlZoFekDIPg&s=19

NotTerfNorCis · 06/08/2022 21:37

To clarify, i thought the person on the right must be the referee.

mrshoho · 07/08/2022 00:03

ScreechingEchoChamber · 06/08/2022 20:49

I find it a bit strange that so many people are outraged about this when they are happy to accept transwomen as women in prison, changing rooms, and single-sex services. If TWAW then this is absolutely fine, surely?

Then again, it's mostly men. They presumably aren't fussed about women's privacy, safety or dignity, but get riled when they think their entertainment is at risk of getting spoiled.

To be fair I think most were blissfully unaware that this is going on in Ireland. Mainstream media won't touch it with a bargepole and it's only thanks to this sports journalist for putting it out there.

RhannionKPSS · 07/08/2022 02:43

viques · 06/08/2022 17:11

Do you remember those competitions they used to have in print newspapers, a picture of a football match with the ball airbrushed out? Maybe they should bring Spot the Balls back, 21st Century style………..

mole at the counter has done that image on Twitter 😂

Abhannmor · 07/08/2022 08:12

ScreechingEchoChamber · 06/08/2022 20:49

I find it a bit strange that so many people are outraged about this when they are happy to accept transwomen as women in prison, changing rooms, and single-sex services. If TWAW then this is absolutely fine, surely?

Then again, it's mostly men. They presumably aren't fussed about women's privacy, safety or dignity, but get riled when they think their entertainment is at risk of getting spoiled.

It's more visible on a playing field though. Not many of us are acquainted with the interior of Limerick Women's Prison.

And also , what outrage? Just people on Twitter and Mumsnet. We are just as outraged about prisons and DV shelters. But there's nothing on the papers or TV. I bet if I ask some random GAA fan here they won't know what I'm on about.

mrshoho · 07/08/2022 08:17

So true @Abhannmor . I'm in London and sent a link to my brother in Ireland. He hadn't heard about it and his kids are big into GAA.

DublinDoris2000 · 07/08/2022 08:42

www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/ladies-football/lgfa-developing-policy-on-transgender-players-after-ladies-shield-final-incident-41894821.html

The story has now made the mainstream press. Seems as the player was challenged by the other team and the ref. LGFA is now being forced to create a policy.

FionaMacCool · 07/08/2022 09:12

Agreed Abhannmor & mrshoho.

Coming from a big GAA family (the type that are local club president and secretary and treasurer; and who turn out to bring kids to a match, and to train the u9's on a wet March Saturday morning) I will be ensuring that they are all aware of this. Within our local club we have the family of a former GAA president; and a former Co. Board Chair.

Someone on Twitter disingenuously said that this has nothing to do with the GAA, and that it falls under the LGFA (Ladies Gaelic Football Association)
That would be the LGFA who are headquartered at Croke Park. Whose clubs overlap with the local GAA ones.
Try telling me and my family that the LGFA has nothing to do with GAA- all our boys and girls training is held in the local GAA field - a field that was bought on the back of local fundraising.

If the GAA ever tried to exclude girls and women from that field, when I did cake sales and sponsored walks to pay off the last of it's debt, I personally will be causing a big hoo-ha.

In some ways I am delighted that this image is out there; I will be sharing among all my contacts today.
There is a little push to "be kind" in the local area, in relation to one gender non-conforming boy. Everyone is aware of him, and everyone is being very supportive of him and the family.
But, allowing him into the girls toilets/dressing rooms/sports teams, absolutely not on.
What about when our girls start their periods? Are they not entitled to privacy from him.
What about when he hits puberty.... is he to then (at a much more vulnerable age) supposed to revert to the boys facilities?
I've had this conversation with the hard of thinking people who were initially "be kind" and you can see it dawning on them.

ApplesandBunions · 07/08/2022 09:18

pombear · 06/08/2022 15:12

www.sportingpride.ie/events/transgender-participation-in-sport

At 7 mins: "honestly I am quite annoyed by some harsh approach that I got, I just had like, people tried to ask me if I could use a separate changing room and it wasn’t fair at all" 🤔

What an arsehole.

Abhannmor · 07/08/2022 09:25

Good post @FionaMacCool . Why should we buy local GAA lotto tickets only to see our girls bashed up by the likes of Mr Valentino. Or have to change in a car instead of having a good shower?
Hope your bro kicks up a stink too @mrshoho !

That's good news @DublinDoris2000 . Must check out the Indo. Wonder if 'de paper' will have it tomorrow ( Examiner 😆)

mrshoho · 07/08/2022 11:20

Hope your bro kicks up a stink too @mrshoho !

😁 it's not often he's been lost for words but this genuinely floored him. The word is spreading I'm informed.

miri1985 · 08/08/2022 03:02

DublinDoris2000 · 07/08/2022 08:42

www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/ladies-football/lgfa-developing-policy-on-transgender-players-after-ladies-shield-final-incident-41894821.html

The story has now made the mainstream press. Seems as the player was challenged by the other team and the ref. LGFA is now being forced to create a policy.

Well when I'm wrong, I'm wrong, I was sure the broadsheets would ignore it. Interesting they chose not to include any photos.

Wonder how the LGFA is going to develop a policy with how with GRA is written. As usual sporting organisations have known this is coming down the pipleline for years but have chosen to put their head in the sand until their hand is forced. Can only imagine the ruckus it will cause on Irish woke twitter if they do try to put a sensible policy in place

Will be interesting if the other team does contest Valentino's eligibility. Given Valentino is Italian and getting a gender recognition cert isn't as easy in Italy (compared to the check box exercise Ireland has made it into), there is a good chance that there is no birth cert that has been changed to say this person is "female".

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MrsJamin · 08/08/2022 07:38

gript.ie/clown-island/ interesting blogpost on this from Ireland

mrshoho · 08/08/2022 08:01

I know it's said time and again but it really is The Emporer's New Clothes in action. Everyone sees with their own eyes a lumbering man playing and we're supposed to play along with the charade. It would be comical if it were a monty python skit but this is for real. I would love for a TRA to tell me this ridiculous situation is acceptable.

And when I think we've reached rock bottom I'm reminded that in Norway just for stating this player is a man could end you up in prison for up to 3 years.

mrshoho · 08/08/2022 08:04

Emperor's 🙈

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