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Ben Cooper QC - Lawyer of the Week (in the Times)

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Justme56 · 04/08/2022 08:13

Sorry I can't share the article, but liked this:

What is the funniest thing that has happened in your job?

As a result of my work in this area, apparently becoming an object of admiration on Mumsnet [the Internet parents' forum] - improbable in many ways.

😁

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FigRollsAlly · 19/08/2022 14:05

OP: The Times has named Ben Cooper Lawyer of the Week (and he even mentions Mumsnet).
Hearach: But, but, but … Emma Nicholson is a bigot!

Helleofabore · 19/08/2022 14:09

FigRollsAlly · 19/08/2022 14:05

OP: The Times has named Ben Cooper Lawyer of the Week (and he even mentions Mumsnet).
Hearach: But, but, but … Emma Nicholson is a bigot!

😁

And Ben Cooper and his support wren are fucking awesome!

Areyoureddy · 19/08/2022 14:09

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BoreOfWhabylon · 19/08/2022 15:13

DifficultBloodyWoman · 19/08/2022 13:57

This thread was started because Ben Cooper became an object of admiration. @Helleofabore you are following is his footsteps. Thank you for your research. 👏👏👏

Hear hear!

Helleofabore · 19/08/2022 17:21

I am merely correcting your mistakes.

You are hilarious hearache. Good one!

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 19/08/2022 21:22

I am merely correcting your mistakes.

I'm sure that the intended recipient will spend as much time deriving benefit from those corrections as is commensurate with the intrinsic value of those self-styled corrections.

Hearach15 · 20/08/2022 10:33

Helleofabore · 19/08/2022 13:31

Just going to leave this post here for readers.

I don't think I need to say anything more about it. This post speaks for itself and poster's reading comprehension when they are more determined to celebrate than to actually comprehend.

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It's a post which links to the Barones's voting record in which she voted to treat gay couples differently to straight ones. Unbelievable that you still don't think this is obvious homophobia.

Genuinely, go out and ask any lesbian or gay you know whether they think having a different age of consent is bigotry or not.

Hearach15 · 20/08/2022 10:51

Helleofabore · 19/08/2022 13:50

hearache posted at 13.07: ' I actually think the idea that it is "unnatural" for children to be raised two women is one of the most misogynistic things I have ever heard in my life. Lesbian mothers are great and they don't need a penis to bring up happy, healthy and loved children. The Baroness's beliefs are bad children. '

So, let's go back a couple of pages to yet answer set of ignored questions:

Let's have another look at the tweet you refer to. The 'degrading one'.

twitter.com/Baroness_Nichol/status/1270703409931452416?s=20&t=CSagMWOpQkNQxFn-BjV0OQ

Because I foresaw (with some justification) that it would lead to degrading the status of women and of girls. This as we now see has happened and is continuing, so my sex are as a binary class in difficult now.

So, you have put a little bit of your own twist there, as usual.

She was discussing the protections of women and girls in conjunction with the wording of a particular bill that was being voted on.

And as far as the 'neither normal nor natural', to be clear, two people of the same sex cannot biologically have children. Or are you saying that they can? And are you saying that a family where the children have an active relationship with BOTH biological parents who care for the wellbeing of those children is not better than a family where the children do not know one of their biological parents, even if they are loved and cared for by the people, one of which may be a biological parent, they live with?

Can you please provide proof of this? Because that is not what we are hearing from those children who are now adults of families where they did not and may still not know, one or both of their biological parents.

I look forward to seeing that proof.

And yes. Lesbian mothers ARE great. But I would like you to start putting links where you narrow visioned and narrowly defined bravado continues to fail to convince people . Lesbian mothers ARE great. Is that arrangement a 'greater' outcome for that child, than a child having some kind of knowledge and contact with their biological father as well?

While you can vilify with your narrow view point, I and others will take a feminist view point on how these arrangements impact that child all the way through their lives. There are ways to make these arrangements work. But were those arrangements common when the Baroness made those comments? What was known at the time she made those comments?

So, some proof of that please. Otherwise, you are just repeating the same old trope.

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  1. Gay marriage has in now way "degraded" women or girls. If you agree with her on that you too are a bigot and a misogynist.
  2. The Baroness is not say lesbian families are "unnatural" because they are created through IVF, adoption, or family breakup. She's saying they are unnatural because she quite clearly believes they are a perversion. Did she ever refer to straight families that have been created through IVF or adoption as neither "normal or natural"? No, she picked on lesbian families because she is a homophobic bigot despite the fact that they are created in exactly the same way.
As for your point "Is that arrangement a 'greater' outcome for that child, than a child having some kind of knowledge and contact with their biological father as well?"

Once again you are showing your non-expertise on LGBT issues.

Plenty of lesbian families are created thanks to sperm bank donors who do not want to know the child. Others are created through adoption because the father is no in a position to raise the child e.g. he could be in a murderer in prison. Some are created through family breakup - and yes usually these kids do know their fathers.

Some get to know their fathers later in life (if indeed they consider a sperm donor their father). Others are perfectly content not to ever meet.

So the answer to your question is "It depends on the family" and "They may already know the father".

But is sum, lesbians families do not necessarily need a sperm donor in their lives. You betray a very heteronormative, misogynistic and anti-lesbian attitude if you think they cannot manage superbly without him. Children require love, not men in their lives.

I genuinely do think you should get to know more lesbian and gay families. That would be an eye opener for you. I would say though that if you call any of them "neither normal or natural" then they will be very offended.

Datun · 20/08/2022 10:55

Like Stonewall opposing same-sex marriage? Is that homophobia? Or is that another win for Stonewall?

Genuinely, go out and ask any homosexuals whether being told by Stonewall that their sexual orientation is sexual racism, is bigotry or not. Or is that another win for Stonewall?

🙄

Hearach15 · 20/08/2022 10:56

Helleofabore · 17/08/2022 04:50

See hearache,
others will have read your supposedly clever come back and realise you never addressed the other questions and issues raised in the post.

Are they too inconvenient?

While you are monstering Baroness Nicholson, you like to ignore (and the others who popped on the thread) the spokespeople of
Stonewall and their
well published views. People who are influencing policies of many of the UK organisations.

Just so you remember, I brought three to your attention:

Peter Tatchell

Jane Fae

and Nancy Kelley.

And remember the quotes directly from transitioned males ?

Fully comfortable with them?

Your monstering of Baroness Nicholson has been repeated over different threads. You keep repeating the same old trope from the Pink news. With no actual original source links with any type of critical thinking applied.

So, please answer the question and your lack of answer will be considered as important as your answer.

Are you happy with 100% of what Peter Tatchell, Jane Fae and Nancy Kelley have said in the media?

Also, you asked in previous threads for proof that Baroness Nicholson wanted to uphold discrimination against LGB couples in law and here it is!

hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/1994-02-21/debates/2cff3a37-1689-4247-bfa8-3f2f3d5da45e/AmendmentOfLawRelatingTo

Add that to her voting against gay marriage because it "degrades" women. I mean has she ever met a lesbian couple? Imagine meeting them and thinking "So degrading that she's not married to someone with a penis😡"

Hearach15 · 20/08/2022 11:19

Must be added Emma Nicholson objected to a child in need being fostered by a lesbian couple. She did this because, as she told Westminster, she believes "every child deserves a mother and father". She would rather a child most likely suffered in a foster home than be looked after by two loving women. Absolutely disgusting stuff.

Homophobic, misogynistic bigotry from the Baroness.

Ben Cooper QC - Lawyer of the Week (in the Times)
Ben Cooper QC - Lawyer of the Week (in the Times)
ZombieMumEB · 20/08/2022 11:32

yawns

Hearach15 · 20/08/2022 12:10

ZombieMumEB · 20/08/2022 11:32

yawns

I'm so sorry homophobia and misogyny bore you. You must live a very sheltered life if those things are of no interest to you.

midgetastic · 20/08/2022 12:13

Bit disrespectful to foster parents

Hearach15 · 20/08/2022 12:14

midgetastic · 20/08/2022 12:13

Bit disrespectful to foster parents

Baroness Nicholson is disrespectful to anyone LGBT. It's who she is.

Needmoresleep · 20/08/2022 12:17

Hearach15 · 20/08/2022 12:14

Baroness Nicholson is disrespectful to anyone LGBT. It's who she is.

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give it a rest. Ad hominen insults become boring after a while.

You don't think much of the Baroness. Others do. You are not going to convince people.

Hearach15 · 20/08/2022 12:19

Needmoresleep · 20/08/2022 12:17

give it a rest. Ad hominen insults become boring after a while.

You don't think much of the Baroness. Others do. You are not going to convince people.

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You are right, I don't think much of homophobia and misogyny. If you do then that reflects very poorly on you.

RhannionKPSS · 20/08/2022 12:26

I see that this thread, which was supposed to be in praise of Ben Cooper, continues to slag off Baroness Emma....
Give it a rest and start your own thread if you want, that would be more appropriate

Hearach15 · 20/08/2022 12:39

RhannionKPSS · 20/08/2022 12:26

I see that this thread, which was supposed to be in praise of Ben Cooper, continues to slag off Baroness Emma....
Give it a rest and start your own thread if you want, that would be more appropriate

Ben Cooper QC defended the woman who founded the LGB Alliance - that's the group that invites this homophobe and misogynist to their events. It's all relevant.

RoyalCorgi · 20/08/2022 12:39

The most homophobic thing I've come across in my entire life is transactivists telling lesbians that they should accept "girldick" and if they don't, they're bigots. Really disgusting.

Hearach15 · 20/08/2022 12:42

RoyalCorgi · 20/08/2022 12:39

The most homophobic thing I've come across in my entire life is transactivists telling lesbians that they should accept "girldick" and if they don't, they're bigots. Really disgusting.

Are you straight?

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 20/08/2022 12:47

Are you straight?

Can you help us out with the definition of straight, please? You've self-identified as an expert who is here to correct the alleged mistakes of others so, to forestall that, perhaps you might guide a discussion of this by providing a definition from the outset.

Apollo442 · 20/08/2022 12:56

Hearach15 · 20/08/2022 12:42

Are you straight?

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You seem to be in favour of rape culture. Lesbians don't do dick. If they do, then they aren't lesbians. I don't need to be gay, straight or bi to make this point.
My vote for the most homophobic thing is Stonewall redefining gay to be same gender attracted.

AlisonDonut · 20/08/2022 12:58

Hearach15 · 20/08/2022 12:39

Ben Cooper QC defended the woman who founded the LGB Alliance - that's the group that invites this homophobe and misogynist to their events. It's all relevant.

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Allison Bailey is a lesbian
Ben Cooper is gay

They can both do jobs they want to do, and invite whoever they want to invite, to whatever event they are hosting.

They don't have to run it past you.

Hearach15 · 20/08/2022 13:00

AlisonDonut · 20/08/2022 12:58

Allison Bailey is a lesbian
Ben Cooper is gay

They can both do jobs they want to do, and invite whoever they want to invite, to whatever event they are hosting.

They don't have to run it past you.

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As Allison made clear, she is quite happy teaming up with homophobes (and racists) on this issue. Shame on her.

twitter.com/BluskyeAllison/status/1301500537309982721

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