Euros women's final

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Half way through the game which has been nail biting. From a feminist perspective, all the women - players, commentators, ref - are not sexualised. It feels so weird to see this in football. And brilliant.

I went to the races over the weekend and a football match the week before.

If I'm taking the kids out or want to share some sport with friends, I'd chose the racing even if it's more expensive.

We were packed like sardines in the stadium. A little boy needed a wee, cue mayhem. Moving around is just too hard because stadiums were not built with frequent movement in mind. There's a family section in my local one but I never get a seat. Its always sold out. Its like a forgotten end of a row of benches as well.

I do think the stadiums themselves need more thought.

Do they?

You could have paid for the VIP room with ample of space, easy toilet access and constant movement possible.

I wonder why stadiums are not built to allow frequent moving of spectators. It is a mystery.

Also a mystery how this is the same for other sports, heck even indoor ones like volleyball or ice hockey.

Also a mystery how my parents managed to take me and my brother to games as kids without your issues.

@MrGHardy your response is unnecessarily rude. Not everyone has the same wishes or needs as your family presumably did.

Which vip room?

I've never been to a stadium which has said facility... to be fair I only regularly to my local one and it's on the small side...

I honestly have no idea what you are on about. Is there some reasoning or history behind the squashed seat nature of stadiums that I'm not privy to?

I wasn't taken to football as a kid. Is there some history which you expect people to know?

I and the family only just started going to sporting events outside the kids regular ones last year. Football is the only one we really struggle with as a family.

If it doesn't want to change because of "doncha know" which I honestly don't know then fine but don't then generalise to women aren't supporting the game...

Not sure which parts you consider rude. Care to elaborate?

Somehow I get the impression that I had replied "Not everyone has the same wishes or needs as your family presumably did" to the other poster you would still have found a way to criticise my post. Quite ironic, I was exactly pointing out that yes, big sporting events and crowded places aren't exactly 'family friendly'.

A lot of stadiums have VIP lounges and the like. Not sure how else to explain this. But yes, smaller stadiums are less likely to have them.

Because the more space you have between seats the less people you can fit into a certain area. Why do you think business class flights are more expensive than economy? Additionally, in a sports stadium, the more space there is between people, the less of an atmosphere you will have.

No, that part was simply to point out that some families seem to manage to go to stadiums without issues. I cannot say "I take my kids to football games" because I don't have any. My experience was as the child. Not as the parent. No history be known.

What others have you gone to? Because that was my other point. Most sports venues I have been to, are not family friendly, at least not in the sense that you describe. This isn't unique to football. In fact, ice hockey was even worse. And to a certain degree this should be obvious. You are there to enjoy the game. Not walk around constantly and not to enjoy vast amount of space.

I never once said "women don't support the game". Not sure where that is coming from.

Basically your post reads like something on r/FuckYouKaren (reddit sub where people make fun of real life examples of 'Karens') sounding like "football stadiums need to be rebuilt because I can't buy seats at the end of a row to easily get to the toilets or have my children sit still for 45 minutes and I feel like a sardine".

@MrGHardy wait! what did I just read? 😂😂😂

Is this an example of when women speak, it is easier to shut them up than listen?

I've taken 2 families and assisted a third through a season of football matches.
Gone to multiple other sporting events with kids in tow (races, swimming, hockey and polo - and no, not just the kids championships) .

Actually done the legwork and compared what needs to change to make this easier for women and girls to turn up.

And you, who have NEVER taken children to a regular local match, sum it up as "Karen, wants special treatment " !

No wonder progress is slow 🙄

Point of clarification: The races are horse races not athletics.

You've just proven my point.

You believe that all sporting stadiums throughout time have got it wrong, and they should be changed in the way you, a random person on the internet, thinks they should be to be more to your liking.

Where did I try to shut you up? After "but don't then generalise to women aren't supporting the game..." this is the second time you made a random, false accusation. Why?

"Actually done the legwork and compared what needs to change to make this easier for women and girls to turn up." But that is not what I replied to. I replied to a comment that was essentially "my experience sucked because it is to crowded and one can't take the kids to the toilet easily".

Oh wow, all caps, bold, underlined. I guess all the times I was taken don't count? Why?

Where do you want women and girls to turn up to? The already popular men's stadiums or women's games? Progress in the women's game? Go to the WSL clubs and tell them how they should build new stadiums. How you get from me, a random person on the internet, questioning you to "no wonder progress is slow" is quite hilarious. Good luck.

that was mean to be an asterisk after stadiums to good luck, not to embolden it.

What are you on about?

Your problem is I said stadiums need more thought? I never said anything about all stadiums ever... It annoys you that someone is proposing something that can make going out to matches more of a social event for young families because not everyone just goes for the game alone? What I propose is ludicrous because I'm an anonymous voice on the Internet? Ok! It is just the Internet after all!

And I did mean you hadn't taken children to the games to assess what the problems are with adult eyes but I think you knew that already...

@blister this person is not being constructive. Ignore. It’s not worth engaging.

"not everyone just goes for the game alone?"

That just says everything about you and your knowledge of football.

Sure thing.

Yes you are right it does!

And it reflects the experiences of most of the women and girls we are encouraging to spectate in the sport! Not everyone wants to play but we do want to enjoy ourselves whilst we encourage our country to greatness!

So I'm going to carry on exposing how the game comes across to the likes of ignoramouses like me who commit the blasphemy of taking young children to enjoy the holy football they know nothing about but who make up the majority of people who enjoy the sport but can't show support. Yet.

The adult in me knows there's truth to this. My righteous indignation internet ego is struggling! Thank you. I'll take the advice.

Who are you encouraging to spectate what? You didn't answer that question. Do you want more women and girls to spectate men's football, or to spectate women's football? If it is the former, I don't think anyone is doing such a thing, and if it is the latter, you are free to contact WSL clubs to discuss the issue with them.

And there we go again, you seem to be under the impression that the whole world needs to cater to your and your impressions of how things should be and when questioned you cry that you are being silenced, that you are being dismissed. You make strawmen (now it is that somehow I treat children at games as blasphemous, and btw you haven't answered any of my questions around the strawmen either). And you lie ("make up the majority of people but can't show support").