Euros women's final

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Half way through the game which has been nail biting. From a feminist perspective, all the women - players, commentators, ref - are not sexualised. It feels so weird to see this in football. And brilliant.

Sorry had to share this, it did make me laugh.

Well done England, you did yourselves and your country proud - l keep welling up with pride!

I’m not a football fan, but loved every second of it!
I hope they will call it the Mens euro whenever that’s on again.

Have also loved watching the ladies in the Commonwealth games T20 - every bit as entertaining as the male version, if not more so! 💪

I was there. It was incredible. There were advertising banners up saying "it's not women's football, it's football". Wish I had taken a pic of that.

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I'm Scottish and a rugby fan, but bloody well done to every single member of the team and crew!

Not just female players, but female officials, managers, coaches, medics, support staff, commentators, fans... I'm 43 and have been playing rugby and shinty (both male-dominated sports) for more than 20 years and I never thought I'd see something like this in my lifetime.

Absolutely amazing.

Wow, I'd forgotten that, Sweetgrapes. Thanks for the reminder.

From that link:
[in 1921], the FA justified the ban with the tenuous claim that they were preventing a financial scandal, alleging that money raised from charities was being misallocated to players. But, as the FA Council minutes show, this justification did little to disguise a vehement disgust for the women's game, stating: "the Council feel impelled to express their strong opinion that the game of football is quite unsuitable for females and ought not to be encouraged."

The ban was only lifted in 1971. So we had less than 50 years of women's football before women's sports were forced to accept males who wanted to play in them. I wonder how long it's going to take to reverse that? We're lucky that there were no transwomen among the elite teams taking part in Euro2022, so every victory was genuine. But how long will that luck last?

To answer my own question, how long before women's football has males playing at every level? I've just found an answer in the Mail on Sunday of 18 June 2022.

I no longer apologise for quoting the Mail because, along with the Times and the Telegraph, it is one of the few newspapers that defends women's rights against the trans movement. These days I would apologise for quoting the Guardian.

www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-10930499/Experts-fear-FIFAs-make-easier-transgender-women-harm-female-football.html

FIFA have drawn up new regulations that make it easier for transgender women to compete in female football, The Mail on Sunday can reveal. The ruling body's draft framework has removed its testosterone threshold for transgender women and proposed that footballers should be allowed to compete as their self-identified gender.
The new regulations are still at the consultation stage and it is understood that some members of FIFA's senior management are unconvinced that they should be published in their current form.

Sorry to cast a shadow over today's glorious celebrations.

I hope the Mail do a follow up story after that win. Pointing out exactly what would have happened last night if the Lionesses were forced to play against men.

Or that the Lionesses would be Lions in what... shorts and T-shirts?

What an amazing week for women!

Great week for womens sport !

Datum, this is a very real risk. Soccer is still primarily a womens sport in the US, where it is both very political and very lucrative. (The US 2019 World Cup kit was the biggest selling football kit ever in either the mens or womens game.) More interest means more sponsors means more clout from American corporations.

Megan Rapinoe, the poster girl for US soccer and an out lesbian does her younger sisters no favours.

I wonder what the attitude of “inclusive” commentators in this country would have been if England were beaten by a German team containing four men?

I was there. DD is getting very frustrated by the new males fans, the ones who until a few weeks ago would mansplain about why women’s football was useless and not worth watching, but now seem to want to be praised for acknowledging it was a good match.

I sat next to one of those boorish commentators who you find a mens matches. The ones who should put a constant stream of advice and criticism. At a mens game I would have ignored it and have decided he did not know what he was talking about. 200 minutes of women being criticised by a boorish ignorant man left me oddly defensive. A male female difference I had not really noted before.

The crowd too was very different. Plenty of men, but they had their girlfriends with them, so more carnival than laddish. And some great groups of young women, presumably players themselves. I loved the cries of ‘get in’ from the women behind us.

Amen, sister 😍

I sincerely hope the fact that places like Fair Play for Women are getting our sports federations to finally explicitly exclude men is something they will just continue to succeed at, domino fashion.

We do seem to be at the vanguard of dismantling the effects of this insidious ideology

I was there. DD is getting very frustrated by the new males fans

Surely this is a good thing? For the women's game in the UK to kick on from this great win and thrive they need a wider support base, especially at grassroots level??? Filling Wembley for a Euro Final is brilliant, what is needed now is for the club game to start attracting more then the thousand or so fans per game? The women's game has improved hugely in the last ten years with better coaching, fitness, skills etc all underpinned by a professional league. Surely you want lots of new fans, even the ones who not so long ago wrote off the women's game as 'rubbish'.

As a woman who has been supporting England Women for 20 years – I was in Helsinki for the last final when the Germans beat us 6-2 (I have my closure now 😍) – I'm not a big fan of "It's football". I think it opens the door for transgender women (men, in my opinion) to infiltrate women's teams.

So ..... its "Women's Football": keep it exclusively female!

I don’t watch football, but I’m so incredibly pleased about women being shown to be so strong and capable.

I am heavily into cycling and have been watching the new women’s Tour de France Femmes which finished yesterday. It’s amazing how much more inspiring it is to watch athletes of your gender perform. Every stage I’ve watched has seen me grab my bike and head off out. I’m not normally emotional about sport, but I’ve had tears in my eyes every time they cross the finish line.

I find women’s football much more enjoyable to watch than men’s. What a fantastic achievement and how wonderful to see so many amazing women all together

@SweetSenorita
I agree, for similar reasons but want Men's football to be called just that - men's football.

I am heavily into cycling and have been watching the new women’s Tour de France Femmes which finished yesterday. It’s amazing how much more inspiring it is to watch athletes of your gender perform. Every stage I’ve watched has seen me grab my bike and head off out. I’m not normally emotional about sport, but I’ve had tears in my eyes every time they cross the finish line.

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It’s amazing how much more inspiring it is to watch athletes of your gender perform

Yes!

(although I would say sex, not gender, don't get me started)

I was trying to work out why I felt so emotional about it and then I remember things like this not the nine oclock news sketch

Mel Smith is cross and being forced to watch a women's international by Rhys Jones. but GRJ tells him to wait for the bit at the end where they take their shirts off. - Yes thats the joke!

Maintaining the female fan base might become an issue.

I and my daughter are interested just not fanatics about it so when there's bad behaviour or event clash, we'll drop out.

And I think most women dip in and out of sport and we need to normalise this behaviour instead of seeing it as lack of interest.

We might be more of a screen based fan type...