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How did less than 1% rise to power so easily?

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DaughterofDawn · 26/07/2022 14:58

I saw a youtube video done by Blaire white and Buck Angel. They both made very interesting points as they are both trans and they said “How did less than 1% of the population become so powerful so quickly? How is it that they’ve got entire countries walking on eggshells?”

I found that so interesting because I started thinking about it and… Hear me out. I am a pagan. We are a very small religious subgroup but we are still definitely bigger than 1% of the population yet we aren’t even legally recognized as a religion in canada. In fact I often still find myself explaining to others what a pagan is. Many people have never heard of us. How can that be?

I suspect foul play. Perhaps it is because someone is profiting off of their transitions and all the drugs they are pushing on them. After all once one transitions that is a life time of medication. You can’t take that back even if you detransition. You are completely committed.

Or maybe all us pagans need to do is start threatening people and calling them paganphobic. We will quickly be established as a religion have a flag and have pagan parades while everyone silently hates us because we have the entire world dancing around our feelings. lol

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achillestoes · 26/07/2022 15:01

It’s because it’s the politics of guilt and self-exculpatory flagellation. Imagine you’re a white middle class professional in a public sector, quasi-public sector or cultural role. You are privileged, you have power over other social groups (or so they tell you) and you are guilty about your privilege and frightened of it being removed. So what to do? You jump on a bandwagon that proves how compassionate, open-minded and willing to ‘educate yourself’ you are. You use it as a straightforward ‘some of my best friends’ defence, but on the emotional level. You ‘commit to the work’. You humble yourself. And you hope the pitchforks and lights will pass by in the distance.

TastefulRainbowUnicorn · 26/07/2022 15:06

Or maybe all us pagans need to do is start threatening people and calling them paganphobic. We will quickly be established as a religion have a flag and have pagan parades while everyone silently hates us because we have the entire world dancing around our feelings.

Probably that wouldn't be enough. But if you were to start claiming that basic child safeguarding rules and protecting women from abuse are against your human rights as pagans...
I think that's when you'd find this hypothetical pagan rights movement would start to gain momentum.

Fairislefandango · 26/07/2022 15:19

Because nobody cares if you're pagan! There is no conflict of interest. You aren't claiming to be something you're not, or appropriating another category of human which already belongs to other people, or the nameof another religion. Nobody's going to object to you, so you have nothing to kick against and nobody to accuse of paganphobia!

In order to get some attention, you'd have to maybe start calling your belief system... Islam or Catholicism, for example, and say that since you identify as Muslims/Catholics, your pagan rituals are Muslim/Catholic. That should cause a bit of a stir. Then when people say no, you are not Catholics/Muslims you can angrily accuse them of being PERCs/PERMs (pagan-exclusionary radical Catholics/Muslims).

YetAnotherSpartacus · 26/07/2022 15:24

It's because men always were in power.

DaughterofDawn · 26/07/2022 15:25

YetAnotherSpartacus · 26/07/2022 15:24

It's because men always were in power.

You all may be quite correct. Perhaps it is because of male privilege. 🥲

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Artichokeleaves · 26/07/2022 15:25

I've always thought it was staggering how very, very fast and successful a minority/equality rights movement can be- when it's male, white, affluent, educated, able bodied and straight.

AyeUpMeDuck · 26/07/2022 15:35

It's 2 things I reckon.

1st it's the money. Let's face it and be honest, the world runs on money. If someone could get rich selling Seal Clubs, someone would be getting rich selling Seal Clubs to seal clubbers.
Pharma / surgery etc is one of the biggest businesses on earth and lots of people make a ton of.money prescribing hormones and even more make a fortune doing elective surgeries.

And it's not just pharma and health care making money from trans: pink news, stonewall, mermaids, binder sellers, blog posts, YouTubers and more and more and more and more. Even people that are fighting against it sell.merch and books and talks and stickers and art and more and more and more..

Money baby.. it's all about the cash and media exposure.

2nd I believe it's a trend / social media. Social contagion. Millions of kids that have never had a better time to be alone that.need.somehow or someway to rebel against adults.. but now it's also adults getting in on it for social media attention. Was a time, back in the 70s, 80s and 90s probably, that if some lad told his dad he wanted to wear a dress, the dad would play up merry hell.. kid would feel rebellious, the boundary would be pushed and tested, eventually balance would restore.. these days, that same dad would affirm the kid, take.them shopping and post about it all over the gram and Reddit.. kid gets affirmed, dad gets affirmed and everyone gets the endorphins that attention brings. Hell, it don't take to find very publicly shared stories of kids that are trans that are far too young too even know what trans is... Shared by parents for internet attention or to flog a blog of some such or join a ted.talk on how they're a parent of a trans gender 2 week old that is a boy that cries when they put him a blue romper suit and he is happy when he's in a pink one.

Or,.brass tacks. It's the internet's fault.
Gives agps access.
Gives teens ideas.
Social media spreads trends.
Gives a funding source to those who wish to profiteer..

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howdoesatoastermaketoast · 26/07/2022 15:37

DaughterofDawn · 26/07/2022 15:25

You all may be quite correct. Perhaps it is because of male privilege. 🥲

This is my working theory when the LGB community chose to side with heterosexual men over homosexual women they became a men's rights organisation dressed in progressive camouflage and were pushing against an open door.

donquixotedelamancha · 26/07/2022 15:40

“How did less than 1% of the population become so powerful so quickly? How is it that they’ve got entire countries walking on eggshells?”

Because trans people don't have any more power than they did 20 or 30 years ago. The type of people in power hasn't changed; the excuses used to gather and abuse power have just moved on.

Cross dressing rich middle aged blokes in power are not new; the excuse to do it openly is.

Predators seeking vulnerabilities in the system isn't new; as old ones close new loopholes are sought.

Professional grifters turning grassroots charities into pseudo businesses isn't new; this is just the latest fashionable cause they've latched on to.

Overall I don't think the lives of transsexuals have become remotely better because of all this (if anything the opposite is true) and Gender Dysphoria certainly isn't being better treated but then that isn't important to most people pushing all this.

DaughterofDawn · 26/07/2022 15:53

howdoesatoastermaketoast · 26/07/2022 15:37

This is my working theory when the LGB community chose to side with heterosexual men over homosexual women they became a men's rights organisation dressed in progressive camouflage and were pushing against an open door.

progressive camouflage. Wow I’ve never heard that before but that describes it it so well!

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ScrollingLeaves · 26/07/2022 16:08

I suspect foul play. Perhaps it is because someone is profiting off of their transitions and all the drugs they are pushing on them. After all once one transitions that is a life time of medication. You can’t take that back even if you detransition. You are completely committed

Who Are the Rich, White Men Institutionalizing Transgender Ideology?

thefederalist.com/2018/02/20/rich-white-men-institutionalizing-transgender-ideology/

sweetgrapes · 26/07/2022 16:09

Artichokeleaves · 26/07/2022 15:25

I've always thought it was staggering how very, very fast and successful a minority/equality rights movement can be- when it's male, white, affluent, educated, able bodied and straight.

I vote for this!
All the other minority rights groups and majority (women) rights fall way behind.
Just recently we (women) were told it would take a 100+ years to attain sex parity for pay - and nobody even blinked much.

ScrollingLeaves · 26/07/2022 16:15

Fairislefandango · Today 15:19
Because nobody cares if you're pagan! There is no conflict of interest. You aren't claiming to be something you're not, or appropriating another category of human which already belongs to other people, or the nameof another religion. Nobody's going to object to you, so you have nothing to kick against and nobody to accuse of paganphobia!

*In order to get some attention, you'd have to maybe start calling your belief system... Islam or Catholicism, for example, and say that since you identify as Muslims/Catholics, your pagan rituals are Muslim/Catholic. That should cause a bit of a stir. Then when people say no, you are not Catholics/Muslims you can angrily accuse them of being PERCs/PERMs (pagan-exclusionary radical Catholics/Muslims).

Putting the predicament in those terms is so funny, and clear.

I think they would argue though that this is not about belief. It is about who they are and no one has the right to say they literally don’t exist.

DaughterofDawn · 26/07/2022 16:22

ScrollingLeaves · 26/07/2022 16:15

Fairislefandango · Today 15:19
Because nobody cares if you're pagan! There is no conflict of interest. You aren't claiming to be something you're not, or appropriating another category of human which already belongs to other people, or the nameof another religion. Nobody's going to object to you, so you have nothing to kick against and nobody to accuse of paganphobia!

*In order to get some attention, you'd have to maybe start calling your belief system... Islam or Catholicism, for example, and say that since you identify as Muslims/Catholics, your pagan rituals are Muslim/Catholic. That should cause a bit of a stir. Then when people say no, you are not Catholics/Muslims you can angrily accuse them of being PERCs/PERMs (pagan-exclusionary radical Catholics/Muslims).

Putting the predicament in those terms is so funny, and clear.

I think they would argue though that this is not about belief. It is about who they are and no one has the right to say they literally don’t exist.

Reading this killed me. pagan exclusionary catholics muslims 😂 Omg I laughed far harder than a i should have.

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Mennex · 26/07/2022 16:34

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Theeyeballsinthesky · 26/07/2022 16:42

It’s the Denton’s playbook - it looks like it’s happened overnight, in fact the chess pieces have been being moved for years

Denton’s

Fenlandia · 26/07/2022 16:52

I've often wondered this too OP. What we thought was an obscure and debilitating condition has become a glittery identity sprinkled with unicorns adopted by swathes of kids, young adults and er, middle aged men discovering their inner spinny skirts.

With certain people I know, it seems to be they regard transition as a quasi-mystical experience and that's why trans is put on a pedestal relative to other conditions or marginalised groups. Hence the strict policing against deadnaming because someone has been literally reborn. Never mind that the people who actually go through all the painful surgeries are in a tiny minority these days.

I recommend Simon Edge's novel The End of the World is Flat for a bit of light relief. It's not hard to spot where he gets some of the ideas in the book from (well-regarded charity achieves its primary aim and pivots to flat earthery).

LK1972 · 26/07/2022 16:59

I have never considered this before:

'This is my working theory when the LGB community chose to side with heterosexual men over homosexual women they became a men's rights organisation dressed in progressive camouflage and were pushing against an open door.', thanks howdoesatoastermaketoast .

It's an excellent insight, and I can't think of arguments against it, does anyone else?

They sold out the lesbians for the rainbow dollar, which was conditioned on including straight men under their fucking 'umbrella'.

Thanks guys (and some notable girls), great way to repay women for their support in the AIDS crises Hmm

I also think that the speed, and the underhand tactics of this movement as it gathered pace, is a good reminder that some men really hate women, and will use whichever justification they can to dehumanize and abuse them. They enjoy it. We can't let them.

ScrollingLeaves · 26/07/2022 16:59

Theeyeballsinthesky · Today 16:42
It’s the Denton’s playbook - it looks like it’s happened overnight, in fact the chess pieces have been being moved for years

Denton’s www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-document-that-reveals-the-remarkable-tactics-of-trans-lobbyists

That is revealing, and sinister.

SoManyQuestionsHere · 26/07/2022 19:06

Somewhat ironically: because gender ideology doesn't fundamentally threaten the balance of power but actually, in some ways, underpins it! Same as the stereotypical token woman/black/..., really!

Think of huge corporations making dozens of billions at the very least. They are, largely, run for the benefits of the haves, not the have nots. Nothing really changes for the large shareholders due to a few Wojcickis, Barras, or Sweets [female CEOs]. Just as PMs like Thatcher and May didn't really turn the UK into a feminist utopia.

Basically, this stuff is pretty useful in terms of the whole "pretending we're good people while engaging in rock hard capitalism" stuff. Consumers and financial analysts like it!

Consumers don't care much about, and Wall Street would hate overthrowing the basic societal hierarchies and taking actually meaningful action on poverty, racism, misogyny, to name but a few.

Sorry if I sound like a cynic ...

Namerchangerextraordinaire · 26/07/2022 19:28

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JacquelinePot · 26/07/2022 19:31

Being pagan doesn't trigger erections. If it did you, ad a pagan, might have more social power op

Circumferences · 27/07/2022 06:50

Corporations have latched on willingly to the pronouns fad, because it's a quick and simple way of finding out who in the organisation is most compliant.
"Put your hand up if you will agree to do anything no matter how ridiculous for our corporation" won't exactly wash..
"We suggest you include your pronouns next to your name because, reasons" gives the same results.

Corporations also latch on to the TWAW concept particularly in an era of pressure to show equality between the sexes in the workplace. They can claim to be closing the pay gap without actually doing so at all (it only takes 1 womanly identifying man on a typically male wage in a typically male position to really skew the data).

Corporations also latch on unthinkingly to demands made by Stonewall because being woke right now is the thing to be, and installing gender neutral bathrooms can be done by doing nothing other than changing a sign on a door, and hey presto you've got your Stonewall approval without actually needing to provide support for LGB people at all. Tick, we're wokier now, so we can go back to exploiting our employees and maximizing profit etc.

Cuck00soup · 27/07/2022 07:11

From another current thread www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4598462-article-by-maya-forstaters-solicitor-about-her-judgment

Maya Forstater’s solicitor Peter Daly gives a really insightful analysis here about how companies wrap themselves in equality colours and assume they then are considerably more moral than anyone else, but fail to fully understand what they are moralising about.

They also fail to check who is paying the piper they so readily follow.

KittenKong · 27/07/2022 10:52

3 M’s

money (always follow it)
men (used to getting what they want)
minions (get young folk - and those desperate to be ‘down with the youth - all riled up to do their dirty work)