Mordant conceding defeat?

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According to the BBC in advance of the results being published. Let's hope so. And I hope it is her attitude to women's rights that has cost her

I'm so relieved also. Had PM become PM, women's sex-based rights and the proper safeguarding of children would have been wobbling on the edge of a precipice. I doubt very much that PM would have done anything to protect them. As others have said, I hope Labour MPs who actually want the party to get into power are paying attention. The real life impact of gender ideology is only going to become more apparent to the general public as time moves on and I doubt it's going to be anything but negative for the majority of the population.

@yeahreally I would research his views on other areas (economy, transport, etc) along with other candidates (and all their parties' positions). Ultimately I would not vote for anyone pushing gender ideology as it represents such a blow to women and girls (not just those seeking abortion) and also shows a lack of critical thinking in terms of how supporting a legal fiction can impact all our lives negatively.

I would like to be able to vote for a Labour candidate who hasn’t lost their fucking mind, is who I want to vote for.

Hope this means the end of Stonewall Champions throughout the civil service. Easy thing for whoever is elected to do.

The sad fact is, it isn't a bug existing only in the mind of a few candidates: it's one of the main features of the entire bloody left. They're a dead duck. All of them.

I would like to see a new centre left actually socialist party rise from the ashes of the utter mess that all the left leaning parties are in. But it would have to be built on whole new foundations and rejecting all of the rot that has led to this farce in the first place.

I expect that enough MPs were privately promised jobs by Liz Truss to vote for her (and possibly Rishi Sunak may have done this), and Penny Morduant's third place is nothing to do with her views on gender identity now or in the past.

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And soon. We desperately need an alternative. I used to think that the Lib Dems could become that party, but... (draws veil over tragic mess that is LDs and walks away sadly)

Oh I am relieved she’s out. I felt a bit helpless as I couldn’t even message my MP asking them not to support her, because she is my MP!

They won't get anywhere with TWAW. That's the point.

They’re Tories. If you think that Tory MPs don’t have a very clear idea about which of the candidate’s views may be electoral poison, you are kidding yourself.

True

I didn’t see anything that convincing at the debates

Probably a factor in lessening in support

Surely the point is that PM was shown to be a liar.

Since only 2% of the population thinks that this GC v trans issue is important, I doubt that it had more than a smidgeon to do with her falling by the wayside. However, the media did use it as a weapon against her as part of a general attack on her 'wokeness', regardless. In general it does seem that those candidates who've subscribed to gender critical ideology have been on safer ground.

@SpindleInTheWind
Agreed- 3% of party members think trans rights are important .
The % who think that women's rights are important is unknown.

This is a good point

I’d never respond to questions on ‘trans issues’ but I would re women’s rights

Yes, 'Trans Rights' isn't a heading under which 'Women's Rights' sits.

Women's Rights is not a sub-category of anything, and I'm sick of journalists pretending otherwise with their reporting.

The "trans issue" is not a marginal issue. We are talking about changing the law to impact the rights and legal protections of over half the population: women and girls.
We are talking about governing a democracy using first principles and rational values
We're talking about data collation, planning and delivery of services in an effective and equitable manner.
And we are talking about ECHR Rights of Freedom of Expression, Freedom of Assembly.

So, that's multiple issues across multiple policy areas.

Clashes of rights

@Yeahreally - Understanding what a woman is, and defining the category, allows one to draw the policies and protections that protects women as a female, single sex, biological and political class.

Every single policy that protects women and provides equity for women comes from understanding what a woman is. So if you can't understand that/ play stupid, then you are eliminated as a voting option straight away.

It's about electing someone who operates from an understanding of material reality.

@Yeahreally Some people argue that Roe was made easier to set aside because it was not argued in terms of women's rights to suit the trans agenda.
twitter.com/ProfWBCarter/status/1540377980282732547

*Yes, 'Trans Rights' isn't a heading under which 'Women's Rights' sits.

Women's Rights is not a sub-category of anything, and I'm sick of journalists pretending otherwise with their reporting.*

Exactly this. 'Trans Rights' will be a minority or fringe issue for the majority of the population. Women's Rights will not be. Nor will Children's Safeguarding.

I would also add that the impact of Gender Identity Ideology couched in terms of Gay and/or Lesbian Rights will also not be a fringe issue for the majority of the population - their right to be defined as same sex attracted and to not be discriminated against or abused and harassed for saying so along with maintaining same sex boundaries in their own lives.

The term 'Trans Rights' should be left to the TRAs to own and argue. Women should be able to discuss and centre our concerns in terms of Women and Childrens Rights, with the media being encouraged to follow suit.

One thing it's shown very clearly is how little Political commentators have been paying attention. I've a lot of time for Iain Dale but he was tweeting the other night that Mordaunt had never supported self id. It was wonderful seeing all the women in his replies telling him it simply wasn't the case. I mean did we all dream those thank you cards to Liz Truss when she canned it? They haven't got a clue, but women have because we've been watching.

Also this is an illuminating thread from Lachlan on just what the tories have been responsible for. I know a lot of us are Labour voters and we're raging with them, but never forget it was the Tories who did this.

twitter.com/Lachlan_Edi/status/1549404544097992707

Maria Miller, Nicky Morgan, Theresa May, Mordaunt, Crispin Blunt, Caroline Nokes, and the rest, all tories, pushing this through with no thought for the effect on women.

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Very important post.

Here's hoping 🤞