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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Moment of realisation

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Footballmatchdilemma · 19/07/2022 14:56

I was at an event last night where a trans woman I know vaguely was there. I had no reason to speak to them (the configuration of the room meant I wouldn’t have been able to if id wanted to anyway), but I could see them.

They are about my age, 40s, slim, nice clothes, long hair etc. But what made me, frankly, a bit pissed off, is that I thought, how nice for them to enjoy the long hair and the clothes and blah blah, but at this point in their life, what they won’t have to deal with, which most women will, is the sodding menopause. It hasn’t hit me yet, but I’m worried about how it will make me feel.

This person has no idea about this aspect of being a woman. No the menopause, not periods, not childbirth, none of it. How can they possibly, in any way, believe themselves to be a woman?! These things are the reality, before you even begin to talk about the burden of care that usually falls on women, low salaries etc.

It made me so very grumpy, and there’s no one I can talk to about it because my friends aren’t interested and my sister is all ‘be kind’.

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smithsinarazz · 20/07/2022 11:19

Cantanka · 20/07/2022 08:33

In my opinion, you can support both but to do so you have to recognise that the oppression experienced by trans women is not the same as oppression experienced by natal women, and unpick that to work out how to best achieve equality for everyone.

Pretending that it’s as simple as TWAW and that it’s bigotry to talk about sex as opposed to gender is not supporting women, for many of whom their sex is a fundamental part of their lived experience.

I agree with both of you - although I don't, actually, think it's the government that's pitting women against transwomen. I can't stand this government, but I don't think the current angst and mud-slinging is on them in particular.

You can support a transwoman's right to live according to (some of) the conventions which society lays down for women, and you can have sympathy for the very genuine distress caused by gender dysphoria, and at the same time understand that whether you are male or female is massively significant, physiologically and socially, and that women should be able to organise politically on that basis.

I absolutely deplore the current fashion for treating us gender-critics as if we deserve to be burnt at the stake. At the same time, though, OP, I do think you're being mean about the particular individual you mention, who, as others have said, has probably got all sorts of problems of her own. Also, and perhaps most importantly, she hasn't done anything to hurt you. You just (probably) disagree with her.

bellinisurge · 20/07/2022 11:39

What does "support both " mean?

Perfect28 · 20/07/2022 18:57

It's funny that at no point have I said twaw but several have you have put those words into my mouth.

Conflictedunicorn · 22/07/2022 12:49

Perfect28 · 20/07/2022 18:57

It's funny that at no point have I said twaw but several have you have put those words into my mouth.

True, but I am confused. How do you support equally two sets of conflicting rights? Or is it you support TW right spot dress how they like, act how they like and to use male spaces with safety. Because everyone here would support that I think

Metabigot · 22/07/2022 16:31

I wish I could have opted out of being a woman when I had my second child. I was advised it waz risky togo ahead and have a 2nd child due to health reasons but I took a chance and despite being seriously ill in my 3rd trimester risking permanent disability I had a healthy child and recovered.

Shame i couldn't have changed sex with my husband and he have the baby but that pesky ole transphobic biology got in the way...

Slothtoes · 22/07/2022 17:59

‘Common People’ immediately starts playing in my head.

PearlClutch · 22/07/2022 19:17

In that case, enjoy this montage of known terf William Shatner.

Slothtoes · 22/07/2022 19:37

That is BRILLIANT! Grin

PearlClutch · 22/07/2022 22:06
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