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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Mary Wakefield has just caught up...

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Birdsweepsin · 15/07/2022 08:39

www.spectator.co.uk/article/parents-must-resist-stonewall-s-gospel

‘Bodies are not inherently male or female. They are just their bodies,’ Kirrin said during the trial. ‘Biological sex is made up of a multitude of characteristics that change over a person’s life-cycle.’ For Kirrin,it’s self-evident that any person with a penis who says he’s a girl should automatically be allowed access to any women-only spaces, even a refuge for female rape victims. As a born woman, wrongly assigned male because of his penis, the penis person has always had the right to enter, you see. ‘I take issue with the words “allowing access”,’ said Kirrin. ‘It’s about removing access, removing a certain section of women from services because they are trans.’

Kirrin is in many ways a hero – and I mean that sincerely. Many gender activists are sneaky, putting into the public domain only things they think palatable to normies. This is the way of the cult. In being candid about his core beliefs, Kirrin has done a service to me and to other parents who might otherwise assume that LGBTQ+ activism in the 21st century is a simple bid for equal rights.

So it’s time for 21st-century parents to organise – if only we had the bottle.

Not popped into Mumsnet much has she?

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TullyApplebottom · 15/07/2022 15:51

Birdsweepsin · 15/07/2022 15:36

Schools have had so much to cope with over the last three years, so it's understandable that they are happy to leave the PSHE/ RSE stuff to "outside experts".

The scandal is no-one challenging the Jigsaw/ people like us/ dodgy rackets bringing gender ideology into school buildings until half the year nine girls start saying they are they/them.

The outsourcing of RSHE to these tin pot providers is just the biggest racket going. Don’t fancy teaching anymore? Download some crap off the internet and start talking in a mad swoopy voice and you’re minted. Daft earrings and hair colour optional.

TullyApplebottom · 15/07/2022 15:51

May be I should do it. No wait. I have a brain and a conscience. Bad luck eh

ScrollingLeaves · 15/07/2022 17:10

I thought better late than never too.

It is a surprise though that she has not, as others have pointed out, mentioned the Cass report which did say didn’t it that ‘affirming’ is not neutral? Or, Sex Matters; Safe Schools Alliance, or Transgender Trend. Might she not know about these?

Let’s hope her position on this issue may increase the number of other Conservatives willing to listen.

On another thread about Penny Mordaunt a poster was speaking to a knowledgeable Conservative who said 70% of the members are older men, and this is certainly not something they feel concerned about. (Though to them, probably ‘this’ is simply a case of a very few trans gender people living their lives in peace and wanting to be treated decently.)

ScrollingLeaves · 15/07/2022 17:26

Hoardasurass · Today 09:39
The comments are spectacular

I couldn’t see them. Are they spectacularly scathing, or spectacular because they were agreeing?

Motorina · 15/07/2022 18:59

PomegranateOfPersephone · 15/07/2022 11:16

Is KM male or female? I am confused! I had thought female…

KM is biologically female and now presents as male, or possibly as non-binary. KM has had a mastectomy. I know this because our circles overlap slightly and, on a hot day saw KM wearing a loose fitting vest top with the scars clearly visible.

Hoardasurass · 16/07/2022 02:27

@ScrollingLeaves the comments are mainly critical of gender identity theorists and pro jail time for everyone involved in transing any child. I don't think the mods would let me repeat the comments about Stonewall but let's just say that Prevent is mentioned quite a bit

Dancingwithhyenas · 16/07/2022 03:06

LaughingPriest · 15/07/2022 11:36

within the span of 5 years people's views on what girls and boys actually are have been transformed

The thing is, I don't believe they genuinely have. The more I see, the more I realise people are being dishonest - in public and to themselves, even - about this. That's why so many questions can't be answered.

Not that that's much better for the people involved, of course. In some ways it's worse.

I work with a huge span of generations. Genz have grown up with this. It’s total indoctrination. They have fallen hook, line and sinker. We only have one generation (essentially the limit is gen x and some older millennials) to stop it taking complete hold.

Cailin66 · 16/07/2022 10:08

mrshoho · 15/07/2022 10:55

KM is the gift that keeps on giving every time he opens his mouth. Alison's trial has really brought the absurdity of SW's ideology out in the open.

Maybe it's just me but I find the way Kirrin speaks very hard to follow. It's like a totally bonkers language. Does anyone else feel that?

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 16/07/2022 10:38

I feel the same, @Cailin66 but I think it's mainly because of the substance of what Kirrin says rather than the style.

I assume that Kirrin has some sort of neurodiversity. I am not a psychiatrist and cannot diagnose people, but, there is something familiar about the way Kirrin presents and communicates <looks at entire Family Of Vivariums>

ScrollingLeaves · 16/07/2022 10:44

@Hoardasurass · Today 02:27
@ScrollingLeaves the comments are mainly critical of gender identity theorists and pro jail time for everyone involved in transing any child. I don't think the mods would let me repeat the comments about Stonewall but let's just say that Prevent is mentioned quite a bit

Thank you very much.

It’s a relief the comments show that readers understand the problem.

SquirrelSoShiny · 16/07/2022 10:53

Better late than never.

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