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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Rishi on Women’s Rights

106 replies

PiffleWiffleWoozle · 09/07/2022 21:01

www.mailplus.co.uk/edition/news/politics/200162/exclusive-womens-rights-top-priority-for-sunak

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justbesensible · 09/07/2022 23:27

@Zone2NorthLondon

Lets just wait and see what happens with his plans.

I’m a LibDem/Labour supporter but I cannot support them any longer - this issue is so fundamental.

The proof is in the pudding…

Zone2NorthLondon · 09/07/2022 23:29

Evidently, We all see this differently . I will never vote Tory and their platitudes and promises don’t cut it for me.

Ravenclawdropout · 09/07/2022 23:30

I want to hear him say he will protect women in prison and not put any men in with them!

EaselArt · 09/07/2022 23:38

When the time comes in two years, I’ll be voting for the party which knows the difference between a woman and a man enacting gender stereotypes. l’ll be voting for the party which will be safe guarding women and children. And it looks like I’ll be voting Tory.

BlackForestCake · 09/07/2022 23:46

Labour (and the other parties) have been warned time and time again that eventually the Tories will grab this issue and shine a light on it, showing the electorate exactly how deranged the sex denialist lobby is.

Now that time has come.

I will never vote Tory, but millions will.

Lucienandjean · 10/07/2022 00:36

At the moment this is the most important single issue for me. I'm encouraged that at least some politicians have spotted that women care about their rights, and if those politicians happen to be Tories, we'll so be it.

If the Labour Party came out as strongly for women's rights, I'd vote for them, but they haven't so it looks as though I'll be voting Tory at the next election (as long as Penny Mordaunt doesn't become PM - then we're all doomed).

Datun · 10/07/2022 00:44

Ravenclawdropout · 09/07/2022 23:30

I want to hear him say he will protect women in prison and not put any men in with them!

Yes, I want the list. I want specifics. Not just NHS literature.

Prisons, wards, rape refuges, sport, loos and changing rooms.

SammyScrounge · 10/07/2022 00:47

Rightsraptor · 09/07/2022 21:19

Mind you I wouldn't describe Labour as 'vacillating' over women's rights. I'd describe them as abandoning women's rights.

Abandoned women is right. They also don't understand that the women they despise have the vote.

BreadInCaptivity · 10/07/2022 00:52

Mordant's on Twitter telling us she knows what a woman is....

twitter.com/pennymordaunt/status/1545908402475438080?s=21&t=ns3wnQLPMdLXP1zEOFG32Q

swimlyn · 10/07/2022 01:51

Have they written this on the side of a big red bus?

SallyLockheart · 10/07/2022 06:48

I’m encouraged that this is being raised as a major issue at the start of “hustings” - it means there is going to be much more discussion of the issues we have raised - prisons, hospitals, sport, education, health - as different candidates explain their views. It means it will be in the news and media. It’s sunlight. It will explain what a self identifying TW really is - a biologically intact male who wants to invade and in many cases push women out of women only spaces.

LadyAnnabelsTapestries · 10/07/2022 08:26

BreadInCaptivity · 10/07/2022 00:52

Mordant's on Twitter telling us she knows what a woman is....

twitter.com/pennymordaunt/status/1545908402475438080?s=21&t=ns3wnQLPMdLXP1zEOFG32Q

Thank for the link. Reading her tweets and the evidence she's posted of her work regarding rates of girls transitioning, It appears she may have been misrepresented on this issue.

It would be a shame for a capable female candidate to be dismissed by women on the basis of misrepresentation.

TullyApplebottom · 10/07/2022 08:27

Looks like all the candidates are putting clear blue water between them and Labour on this.
fat keith has a problem ….

achillestoes · 10/07/2022 08:28

@LadyAnnabelsTapestries

She hasn’t been misrepresented. She’s rowing back what she’s said. She still believes TWAW - a different kind of woman.

Look at the Twitter profile and timeline of Ashley James, who she’s tagged in.

JanDec · 10/07/2022 08:29

Is Rishi gender critical?

I am suspicious of a billionaire politician.

PermanentTemporary · 10/07/2022 08:32

What @Zone2NorthLondon said.

On the prisons issue there is some legal work to do. I'm not sure any of the Tories have the appetite for it, they think this is an easy way to shore up the Tory vote. I hope I'm wrong.

achillestoes · 10/07/2022 08:32

Look more carefully at what she says, because it’s Starmer’s position. Look how carefully she talks about herself, keeping the categorical question very meticulously apart from her words. She is a biological woman. She knows she is a woman. She knows what a woman is.

The question she is being asked is: what is a woman?

The question she is answering is: are you, Penny Mordaunt, a woman?

Why? Why can’t she define “woman”?

Answer: because she believes woman is defined by gender identity. She calls herself “biologically” a woman and “legally” a woman, suggesting that she believes people can be women by virtue of both, or either.

achillestoes · 10/07/2022 08:36

@JanDec

Yes. He is. He’s been quiet on the issue but yesterday he launched his platform on the issue of women’s rights. He seems close to where Johnson was. He wants to be as inclusive as possible but he distinguishes between women and transwomen on a number of levels (notably language and sport). He’s not as clear on his position on single sex spaces.

achillestoes · 10/07/2022 08:43

She even changes the question: we’re asking what is a woman?

She is studiously avoiding answering that question.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 10/07/2022 08:44

achillestoes · 10/07/2022 08:32

Look more carefully at what she says, because it’s Starmer’s position. Look how carefully she talks about herself, keeping the categorical question very meticulously apart from her words. She is a biological woman. She knows she is a woman. She knows what a woman is.

The question she is being asked is: what is a woman?

The question she is answering is: are you, Penny Mordaunt, a woman?

Why? Why can’t she define “woman”?

Answer: because she believes woman is defined by gender identity. She calls herself “biologically” a woman and “legally” a woman, suggesting that she believes people can be women by virtue of both, or either.

This.
She's a have your cake and eat it politician. Cosying up to Stonewall & the other lobby groups, no challenge to the trans extremists, just political pandering and shape-shifting to suit her audience.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 10/07/2022 08:48

To echo what others have said - the fact that this is being spoken about as a leadership issue is testament to women who are refusing to be redefined by dodgy men and have spoken up. I look forward to Starmer's next flat earth lecture to us about the benefits of puberty blockers and binders for girls (as he's dealt with the cervix question now).

achillestoes · 10/07/2022 08:49

@MrsOvertonsWindow

If she’s elected, we lose all our progress. Kids will still be receiving puberty blockers. Muslim women will still be turning up to all-women swimming sessions and finding themselves excluded because a male believes he has a right to be there. We’ll still be called “genital fetishists” for pointing out that an intact male is an intact male. We’ll still be excluded from political life because we don’t believe people can change sex.

She is a disaster waiting to happen.

TullyApplebottom · 10/07/2022 08:53

MrsOvertonsWindow · 10/07/2022 08:48

To echo what others have said - the fact that this is being spoken about as a leadership issue is testament to women who are refusing to be redefined by dodgy men and have spoken up. I look forward to Starmer's next flat earth lecture to us about the benefits of puberty blockers and binders for girls (as he's dealt with the cervix question now).

I look forward to him taking steps to ensure all his female MPs can attend his party conference too.
He stood on the sidelines while the anti semites ran riot under corbyn too. Not a man of courage.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 10/07/2022 09:05

TullyApplebottom · 10/07/2022 08:53

I look forward to him taking steps to ensure all his female MPs can attend his party conference too.
He stood on the sidelines while the anti semites ran riot under corbyn too. Not a man of courage.

It's enraging. We shouldn't be cheering because prospective tory leaders suddenly remember what a woman is and decide to roll back some of the immense havoc that's been visited on women and children. We should be looking to Labour to give a lead; to prioritise child safeguarding and not the demands of fetishists, to insist on respect for views that are factual and legal and to negotiate where trans demands erode women's rights.
Instead we have captured politicians openly lying to the population about science and enabling trans extremist behaviour that endangers women. 😡

TullyApplebottom · 10/07/2022 09:11

I think you have to recognise that fundamentally the Labour Party has changed. It is not about the ordinary working person anymore. It is about client groups and identity politics. There has always been a streak in Labour that’s about finger wagging, holier than thou, we have to educate the voters to a more enlightened way of thinking. That has control of them now. There will always be this kind of behaviour from them, because they are now a party of middle class privileged people who have to make the lower orders better.

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