Sex Education safeguarding horrors reported in the Times today (SSA quoted)

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This is mostly about Sex Education but there is so much crossover with teaching about gender.

Links:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/35cd493a-fee1-11ec-88db-ae1b6b9bdd3e?shareToken=5727832e05f12b11a3f5f013a0a493ac

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10996893/Children-told-prostitution-rewarding-job-sex-education-providers-promote-kinks.html?fbclid=IwAR0KCS_n_-9Jr_NXsURgRz6qPbdtGktT0Wfw_O3C3kpgZeXHl5FL5WsokB4

twitter.com/SafeSchools_UK/status/1545665347730145280?s=20&t=A7LxK6jkwjG9AECtpMXC0A

Lots of examples from BISH which is run by Justin Hancock, includes material on kinks and fetishes ("n a post about “kink”, Bish links to a blog that provides a list of sexual activities including using manacles and irons, whips, swinging and beating) advice to a 14 year old having sex with her boyfriend that "she probably won't get pregnant using the withdrawal method". He failed to mention the relationship was illegal and also suggested lots of lube for anal sex.

Justin charges schools between £500-£600 a day to deliver this so called sex education.

Other examples covered in the story include materials from the Proud Trust advising parents to make play doh models with their children to demonstrate masturbation.

There needs to be a serious overhaul and careful regulation of Sex Education.

A trans activist called Munro Bergdorf was hired by the NSPCC as some kind of PR thing, if I remember correctly, despite the fact that they saw nothing wrong with a 13-year-old boy acting like a drag queen, among other things.

Someone found the person at the NSPCC who hired Bergdorf, and checked out their LinkedIn profile. Where they had linked to a rubber fetish site, and them uploading film of themself in a rubber gimp suit, urinating at work and getting off on it.

When horrified people kicked off about it all over the place, including on here, the head of the NSPCC called them homophobic. Despite no one even knowing the guy was gay.

The head of the NSPCC seemed to be more concerned with whether or not people were being mean about the guy, rather than what the guy had done.

And then they pulled out of a web chat on here, quite soon afterwards, as I think they were predicting what the subject of the questions might be.

That's a children's charity, with statutory powers, mandated to protect children, refusing to speak to one of the, if not the, largest parenting website in the world.

I think, in the end, they were forced to fire the man in question.

Thanks for the link to the petition. Have signed.

And @Boiledbeetle - I am so very sorry for what happened to you.

It absolutely brings how completely wrong this is into sharp focus.

Here's the guy's self pity blog post showing exactly how absolutely little he understands about safeguarding and how poor the nspcc's recruitment processes are

james-makings.com/2020/02/10/why-does-everyone-hate-sex/

I would add that the NSPCC reported a "serious incident" as a result of the rubber/wank/piss at work. I've never seen a Charity Commission or NSPCC final report or outcome of this.

From July 2019, where it seemed the C/Comm bounced it straight back to the NSPCC:

www.rollonfriday.com/news-content/exclusive-nspcc-admits-employees-rubber-clad-smut-serious-incident-after-barristers

Just teach children consent, boundaries, respect and how to think for themselves. And what healthy relationships look like.

That would already be way ahead of my school experience, we didn't have sex education at all.

Some of these providers should be no where near children.

@RaininginDarling · Today 15:53
@s@scrollingleaves

“RSE content on gender vs sex - www.mumsnet.com/talk/petitions_noticeboard/4585082-rse-content-on-gender-vs-sex”

Thank you very much. I think I’ve signed that one.

Is there any other against permitting perverts’ grooming agendas being used as resources for school children?

The sad fact is most teachers who choose to specialise in RSE seem to think this is all hunky dory and complaints are by prudes who are 'clutching pearls' and other cliches. Someone shared Janice Turner's excellent article on this issue on an RSE teacher's group (well they referred to it, they didn't want to give clicks to The evil Times) and warned teachers to be prepared for parents who thought they had 'gotchas' from the article. No pause for thought or reflection evident at all.

Sadly the SRE organisations were captured at an early stage by the porn / trans extremist groups

Signed

I think a lot of parents assume that, even though there are bad people out there, normal people would never fall for anything like the stuff reported in the Times article, it is too obviously bad.

The thing is they are wrong. Normal people can still be convinced that bizarre absolute rot is true. That throwing your kid into a volcano will stop the world from ending, or that in a good sex positive environment kids will be learn in a healthy way about all the variants of sexual pleasure that adults enjoy, and it will help them have happy well adjusted sex lives as adults.

It's like some of the crazy ideas people in communes or free schools had with regards to kids development being totally "free" and "natural".

It seems to be well meaning educated people who fall for this stuff, for some reason.

I also feel there's a regional variation.

My immediate area is full of middle class professionals aged 35 +, MANY gps, (good big medical and dental school, many end up living locally) they really don't buy into all this gumpf. the wider region as a whole has high levels of deprivation and they also don't buy into it. It's the various pockets of more medium income, slightly hippy types where it seems to be a religion.

Mind you, it's the local trusts that TullipR/Ritchie is suing...

Down south it feels like there's more right v left etc.

I agree that most people trust the system to be able to weed out the bad uns but the truth is that the charity funding channels aren't safeguarded particularly well.

You assume charities have some sort of oversight to be accountable to, or proof of safeguarding. You assume the same for companies and museums providing education materials. They really don't.

So teachers assume it's all approved content, from quality stamped experts (who's set themselves up as such) and buy it as it's ready made. They're fed so much from all angles they believe all sorts of guff.

Yes, I think many people assume that groups producing educational materials have some kind of standards or oversight or something. Or that the schools and teachers that purchase them check them.

I also have thought that there is so much change in education that a lot of teachers, the ones who don't become totally cynical about it, may become used to the idea that best practice could be almost any silly plan and they just accept it uncritically.

@Boiledbeetle -please don't apologise. Your voice and the voices of people who have gone through simulate is so important. It just strengthens what we say.

@ScrollingLeaves - in terms of what you can do, demand to see resources, make formal complaints following the complaints process. Loads of info, letter templates and guides in the Safe Schools Alliance website.

@Datun - just waving. I've not been on here much but we have been very busy.

The Munroe story was how SSA was launched and it was one of our members who discovered the rubber man horror. I'm not sure if realised how bad it all was. 3 years later we still get horrified about what people send us.

Essentially there needs to be a massive overhaul of relationships and sex Ed to make it focussed on the things that matter and a curriculum developed by child development experts and teachers with a focus and understanding of safeguarding (and the law). It's the Wild West out there and we have spent 3 years shining the light and trying to get those in positions of authority to listen to us.

Simulate - similar. Apologies for typos. Posting from phone with no glasses. All kinds of typos present I'm sure!

I find it v notable that many of the worst schemes / resource sets are from men who've clearly spent for too much time consuming porn.

Many women are no better, they're issues are often more that theyve completely swallowed the cool aid re identity etc and then get a bit tangled in the cognitive dissonance when they have to confront any actual issues around sexual violence against women, or simply choose to ignore it.

*their. Late night...

Anyway, the work that SSAUK is fantastic and massive and much if it is done voluntarily. So very well done to you all and thank you!

I have been able to pass on the extremely professional and well written website on to school leaders who've taken a great deal of interest.

Yes to everything you’ve written, particularly your final paragraph.

Child protection needs to be a number one priority. The damage from child abuse can be catastrophic and lifelong.

Sex education needs to be focused on biology. Mainly how to avoid pregnancy & STDs.

There should be a module on how to avoid rape and sexual exploitation.

Prostitution is rape, paying for consent ain't consent.

It's no wonder today's youngsters are avoiding sex till their twenties and girls want to be boys. They're afraid because they see so much violent porn.

Agreed - it's interesting how many men have self identified as "experts" on talking to other people's children about sex. And that includes the numerous male born trans individuals / groups who have been doing the rounds in schools and universities for years sharing the details of their "transition".

We need to start seeing these "performances" for what they are - and it's not education.

Agreed - it's interesting how many men have self identified as "experts" on talking to other people's children about sex. And that includes the numerous male born trans individuals / groups who have been doing the rounds in schools and universities for years sharing the details of their "transition"

We are now in the worse position imaginable. We keep going, continuing to groom a generation of children into no sexual boundaries what so ever knowing where that leads us.

Or we pull it all completely as its become impossible to get anyone to take responsibility or apply clear guidelines and we go back decades where children, girls in particular were kept under control by being kept ignorant of their bodies . We know where that goes.

Whoever wins we lose

I agree with everything you say except your third paragraph: who needs to “avoid rape”?

I think you mean: boys and young men need to learn from a very young age to be fair and respectful towards girls and women; to learn very VERY clearly about sexual boundaries; to learn about healthy mutually respectful relationships. Boys and men need to learn NOT TO COMMIT rape.

Girls and women are not responsible for sexual crimes committed against them.

Thank you @WarriorN - I will
Pass it in. We are a small group, all volunteers, all have families and jobs so it's great to hear that what we are doing is really helping.