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So sounds like BoJo is finally about to be dragged out and I'm wondering who would be best to replace him in terms of being sympathetic to a GC's point of view?

I was thinking Savid Javid potentially? Any thoughts from anyone else?

I don't think politicians are as obsessed with gender politics as the people on this board. Should responsible people not be weighing up who is best for the country, rather than who agrees with them on a single issue? Single issue politics is exactly the reason we are in this shit show in the first place. Have we learned nothing?

@DeadbeatYoda

People can decide for themselves where their red lines are. I’m sure you have some? Think about your politics. I’m assuming from this that you vote ‘left’? Imagine a leader who met all your progressive criteria, but also wanted to curtail the right to abortion, or introduce mandatory church attendance, or euthanise the elderly. Do you understand now?

I also think that the ability to see past lobby groups, to discern rational, science led thinking from ideology, and to have the courage to stand up for reality in the face of political expediency, are qualities that are rather important in a prime minister.

@achillestoes you appear to misunderstand the meaning of progressive. The examples you give are mutually exclusive for a progressive agenda. The irony being that you assume my politics are to the left and give examples of entirely right wing scenarios.

@WinterTrees she's got my vote!!!

@DeadbeatYoda

I think it is you who have misunderstood. I’m left-leaning, but I regard the advance of transgender ideology as uniquely regressive. So I am asking you, what would you do if (however shocked you were by it) your preferred leader emerged as someone who supported one thing you could not possibly compromise on?

Not just on this board when it comes to women who care, but you’ll just have to vote in accordance with your views as others do.

I have a line that I’m not willing to cross and I’m very glad others feel the same

No-one would black people to put their issues aside and vote for a racist who wants to take away their right to vote because all the other policies are great.

No-one would tell disabled people to hush up and vote for someone who is going to do everything right except requiring all disabled peol to be sterilised.

No-one would tell people over the age of 65 to vote for someone who wants to bring in compulsory euthanasia at the age of 75 because the policies will benefit everyone else.

Any yet so many people are willing to tell women to vote for someone who wants to dismantle their very existence under law and take away safeguards put in place specifically to protect them from men who want to do them harm.

But that's nonsense. That's not how the UK system works.

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Why? John Major took over in 1990, sat out the remaining 2 years of that Parliament until 1992 and then won an election.

We don't elect PMs.

@TheLassWiADelicateAir

But it weakened Brown and I think May considerably.

And I know we don’t elect PMs, but many of the same people who were saying that about BJ 24 hours ago are now saying we need a general election or the Tories have no mandate. Rhetoric shifts opinion.

Maybe it is individualism as in pp or maybe it is Labour being for unions who are heavily white and male - I think they only just had a female leader?

But lots of unions have had female leaders so there must be more to it than that.

adnottedly I haven’t heard many calls for a GE, the opposite really

but I assume Labour are keen, they will just have to wait though

Admittedly.,

But also, I should say this isn’t a single issue decision for me. If I only cared about this issue I’d support Farage or Lawrence Fox, and I don’t. I have other red lines. But this is the determining issue, if all other things are somewhere in the realms of normal politics (so you won’t catch me voting for any obvious racists, homophobes, people who want to mince the poor for fertiliser etc).

And as someone on Twitter just pointed out, the trans issue is a litmus test for how the candidate is going to treat women, and how they are going to navigate the politics of post-modernity. It’s not just whether I have to call male people ‘she’ - it’s how they respond to truth and lies. That is pivotal.

@achillestoes as opposed to voting for the lying scumbag who will say anything to get your vote but is brazen in their abandonment of any previously professed ethic or concern if it means keeping their snout in the trough?
Would I vote for an entity that stood for everything that I see as damaging to my country and its future, to social cohesion, to all that I hold dear just because they agreed with me on one issue? No I wouldn't.
Would I vote for an entity that I truly believed would be best for education. Public health, my Childrens' future but who didn't support one other stances take? Yes. Any truly progressive party is wildly unlikely to espouse views abhorrent to me and if they did I would fight for change from the inside - not vote for someone who is going to drive the country down the toilet.

@DeadbeatYoda

You’d vote for someone who wanted to remove women’s right to an abortion?

But some people who are willing to say 'women are women' are also people who want to be able to classify them so that they have the right to determine what happens with their bodies etc.

Given whats just happened in america I am at least as interested in any politicians stance on abortion rights as I am on anything else. I have zero interest in someone calling me a woman on the sole basis of being able to dictate my right to an abortion as a woman.

Ignore my last comment, apparently we have the same view, just coming at it from slightly different directions

‘But some people who are willing to say 'women are women' are also people who want to be able to classify them so that they have the right to determine what happens with their bodies etc.’

Political choices are rarely this black and white (we’re lucky in this country to have reasonably moderate people on the right of politics). But you’re right. There are people who will agree with me that female people exist, and are separate from males, and then try to control their bodies. I want this issue dealt with before our politics becomes this polarised. If it does, and I have to choose directly between a young woman’s right to choose not to give birth and a young woman’s right to say things that are true, it will be a terrible day and I don’t know what I’ll do.

@Covidagainandagain

No, it’s a valid point you are making. Some choices are shitty. I’m asking @DeadbeatYoda because I’m trying to aid them in understanding that I see the ‘progressive’ stance on transgenderism as they might see it if an otherwise excellent politician suddenly swung aggressively behind a pro-life position. That’s how I felt when I realised Lisa Nandy thought women should be locked up with male rapists. The political earth shifted under me. It was horrible.

I didn't say anything of the sort. That's a straw man that you have created to try am demean my point of view. The examples you gave have no connection to any party that I have ever voted for.