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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Times today - Scotland section

14 replies

McDuffy · 03/07/2022 15:01

I think this is an important one and couldn't see it posted. When people bang on about inclusion, they don't mean for everyone Sad

Primary pupils are being bullied and called transphobic for using wrong pronouns

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/b41f87ca-fa46-11ec-9dc9-dea4f592180c?shareToken=ab0b87a30cf756dbf928b48abf973b03

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FireFlyBoogaloo · 03/07/2022 15:09

I think one part of the pronouns nonsense that's not spoken about is the detrimental effect to people with neurolodevelopmental conditions.

I happen to have pretty severe ADHD and an absolutely atrocious working memory. I have a very difficult time remembering people's names and holding information in my head at the best of times. Remembering a bunch of pronouns is just not even a possibility for me. Which is fine, because I'm a proud middle-aged harridan these days and more than capable of telling people to bog off, but I feel very badly for children, teens and young students with neurodevelopmental disorders who are being branded as bigots because schools have been captured by NGOs that insist that everyone gets their own pronouns.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 03/07/2022 15:15

The fact that this is aimed at primary children shows how desperate these people are to ensure that little children are terrified into conformity with this ideology. Just the same as on the Scouts thread - the desperation of adults to take every opportunity to gaslight young children into all this is relentless.

LaPufalina · 03/07/2022 18:45

Forcing people to do things isn't an effective strategy, and forcing them to think things isn't possible Sad

dropthevipers · 03/07/2022 18:54

LaPufalina · 03/07/2022 18:45

Forcing people to do things isn't an effective strategy, and forcing them to think things isn't possible Sad

Not in the long run, but you get people to shut up and keep their heads down for a quiet life for some time, but ultimately bullshit cannot stand and it all comes tumbling down very quickly-I like to think we are seeing the beginnings of this now.

LaPufalina · 03/07/2022 18:56

God I hope so!

Hoardasurass · 03/07/2022 23:27

This all comes directly from the SNP with their bullshit sex ed that tells Scottish children from 4+ that you can choose your sex from a spectrum🤬 it's so dangerous and damaging to children.
I have asd and was a child who had body dismorphia (now classed as gender dysphoria) and thankfully received watchful waiting and like 90+% of children came to accept my body.
My ds who has ASD, ADHD and several other conditions has already been targeted by teachers and outside groups trying to convince him that he must be trans or asexual unfortunately for them I had already explained to him exactly how and why the gender identity theorist are a (insert baned word) and exactly how they would target him in a very logical (black and white ASD way of thinking) and why what they would say is wrong. I had a marvellous conversation with the lgbtq+ speaker who was outraged that ds had called them a lier when they (singular) tried to tell the assembly that any child like ds who was not sexually attracted to anyone was asexual and ds pointedly told the entire assembly that it was incorrect due to the fact that sexual attraction and having a libido only start to take affect during puberty and as most of the children in his year were prepubesent and as such shouldn't have any sexual diseyer(sp) so claiming that they were asexual was wrong and a big fat (baned word)ist lie.🤣
I've never been prouder of that boy in my life

dropthevipers · 04/07/2022 00:35

Hoardasurass · 03/07/2022 23:27

This all comes directly from the SNP with their bullshit sex ed that tells Scottish children from 4+ that you can choose your sex from a spectrum🤬 it's so dangerous and damaging to children.
I have asd and was a child who had body dismorphia (now classed as gender dysphoria) and thankfully received watchful waiting and like 90+% of children came to accept my body.
My ds who has ASD, ADHD and several other conditions has already been targeted by teachers and outside groups trying to convince him that he must be trans or asexual unfortunately for them I had already explained to him exactly how and why the gender identity theorist are a (insert baned word) and exactly how they would target him in a very logical (black and white ASD way of thinking) and why what they would say is wrong. I had a marvellous conversation with the lgbtq+ speaker who was outraged that ds had called them a lier when they (singular) tried to tell the assembly that any child like ds who was not sexually attracted to anyone was asexual and ds pointedly told the entire assembly that it was incorrect due to the fact that sexual attraction and having a libido only start to take affect during puberty and as most of the children in his year were prepubesent and as such shouldn't have any sexual diseyer(sp) so claiming that they were asexual was wrong and a big fat (baned word)ist lie.🤣
I've never been prouder of that boy in my life

I would pay good money to have seen that!

TheBiologyStupid · 04/07/2022 00:45

I would pay good money to have seen that!

Me too - well done to your ds for standing his ground, Hoardasurass.

FireFlyBoogaloo · 04/07/2022 05:32

Hoardasurass · 03/07/2022 23:27

This all comes directly from the SNP with their bullshit sex ed that tells Scottish children from 4+ that you can choose your sex from a spectrum🤬 it's so dangerous and damaging to children.
I have asd and was a child who had body dismorphia (now classed as gender dysphoria) and thankfully received watchful waiting and like 90+% of children came to accept my body.
My ds who has ASD, ADHD and several other conditions has already been targeted by teachers and outside groups trying to convince him that he must be trans or asexual unfortunately for them I had already explained to him exactly how and why the gender identity theorist are a (insert baned word) and exactly how they would target him in a very logical (black and white ASD way of thinking) and why what they would say is wrong. I had a marvellous conversation with the lgbtq+ speaker who was outraged that ds had called them a lier when they (singular) tried to tell the assembly that any child like ds who was not sexually attracted to anyone was asexual and ds pointedly told the entire assembly that it was incorrect due to the fact that sexual attraction and having a libido only start to take affect during puberty and as most of the children in his year were prepubesent and as such shouldn't have any sexual diseyer(sp) so claiming that they were asexual was wrong and a big fat (baned word)ist lie.🤣
I've never been prouder of that boy in my life

Ah, this is the best thing I've heard in ages. You should be proud! What an amazing job you've done.

Clymene · 04/07/2022 06:16

Well done to your son @Hoardasurass. I posted this link on another thread and a poster there said there should be sanctions for children who 'wilfully misgender'. As a fellow parent of an autistic child, I find that attitude from someone who works in education terrifying.

BlueMumDays · 04/07/2022 06:28

Ugh, I've had enough with this "willful misgendering" bullshit. What about grown adults willfully coercing children into lying?!

Of course we shouldn't tolerate kids being mean to other kids just because of the way they dress or act. But using correct language is not "being mean" FFS. And whilst in the past I've been convinced into thinking that it's a much bigger deal for the confused, bullied, downtrodden transperson than it is for me, an uninvested bystander, it's become increasingly obvious that this pronouns bollocks is actually affecting all of us, trans or not.

Whatwouldscullydo · 04/07/2022 06:51

Kids say what they see. They will become distressed if forced to lie. Children are not responsible for the mental health care of everyone else. That's the responsibility of responsible adults. Shrinks get paid , teachers get paid, drs get paid So don't outsource your work that you are paid fir onto 4 year olds who don't even know how to spell their name.

Turning children into the mob for gender identity complicity. Theres a word for adults who collude in.lies and secrets with children. We see you.

Whatwouldscullydo · 04/07/2022 07:04

Hoardasurass · 03/07/2022 23:27

This all comes directly from the SNP with their bullshit sex ed that tells Scottish children from 4+ that you can choose your sex from a spectrum🤬 it's so dangerous and damaging to children.
I have asd and was a child who had body dismorphia (now classed as gender dysphoria) and thankfully received watchful waiting and like 90+% of children came to accept my body.
My ds who has ASD, ADHD and several other conditions has already been targeted by teachers and outside groups trying to convince him that he must be trans or asexual unfortunately for them I had already explained to him exactly how and why the gender identity theorist are a (insert baned word) and exactly how they would target him in a very logical (black and white ASD way of thinking) and why what they would say is wrong. I had a marvellous conversation with the lgbtq+ speaker who was outraged that ds had called them a lier when they (singular) tried to tell the assembly that any child like ds who was not sexually attracted to anyone was asexual and ds pointedly told the entire assembly that it was incorrect due to the fact that sexual attraction and having a libido only start to take affect during puberty and as most of the children in his year were prepubesent and as such shouldn't have any sexual diseyer(sp) so claiming that they were asexual was wrong and a big fat (baned word)ist lie.🤣
I've never been prouder of that boy in my life

Well done to your son.

Under any other circumstances adults that overly invested in the sexuality of children would have the police called. Stick a rainbow flag on ir and anything goes 🙄

Why can't they be left alone. Kids should be a sexual. Extreme awareness if sex and hypersexuality in children is a red flag fir abuse. If we have all these asexual and pan.sexual etc primary school kids how on earth are teachers meant to spot the kids in trouble.

Why aren't lgbt kids entitled to the same levels of safguarding as everyone else.

FannyCann · 04/07/2022 08:25

How wonderful @Hoardasurass
Your son schooling the teachers on safeguarding. Star
Well done you and him.

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