Single-sex lavatories to be mandatory in all new public buildings

[ChristinaXYZ]

I really like the phrase “forced sharing” - I think we should use it more often as it sums up the lack of consent in shared facilities - unlike the neutral sounding 'gender neutral' .

Anyway, good news - I think this is building something that was initially announced by Robert Jenrick last year but got a bit lost after his demotion:

"New office buildings, schools, hospitals and entertainment venues must have separate male and female lavatories, ministers will declare this week, in a move to rein in the “forced sharing” of gender-neutral facilities.

The Telegraph understands that the Government will formally announce that it is acting to prevent non-residential buildings from being built solely with “universal” lavatories. The move will involve changes to building regulations and planning guidance.

The plans, being spearheaded by Kemi Badenoch, the equalities minister, were quietly approved by ministers last month after Mrs Badenoch was warned that some children were avoiding using lavatories at school because they only had access to gender-neutral facilities.

Mrs Badenoch has insisted that it is both legal and “important” to provide single-sex spaces for men and women."

If we could replace Boris with Kemi I'd be a very happy woman.

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www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/07/02/single-sex-lavatories-mandatory-new-public-buildings - Telegraph has excelled itself with coverage this last week or so.

Good, all women hate them and the vast majority of men hate them.

This is pleasing.

Where possible, I would like this to be implemented for any future building works for public spaces where the facilities were converted to universal.

I would need to read if there is to be support for users who object to the breaching of the usual social contract about who uses which facilities in the context of self-ID. Otherwise, I can't see how this will attract observant women back to public places.

A bit of good news. And yes, I like the use of "forced sharing". We need to use more clear language that highlights the demands of born males to compulsory nudity for women, forced exposure, indecent exposure in front of unconsenting girls and women.
Let's nail this behaviour for what it is - the demands of males for the removal of women's privacy, safety and boundaries from said males.

I'd actually like to see Kemi as PM one day.

Yes, forced sharing is a good term, because it acknowledges that one is being compelled.

And it does it without necessarily stating who you're compelled to share with. It's implicit though.

Does it mean use of the single sex exemptions, or are these ‘single gender’ facilities?

I hope there's an exemption for small places like cafes otherwise they may simply not offer public facilities! (They don't have to if public are in the vicinity)

I am so pleased about this.

However, seeing as the Conservaties and Boris in particular are doing everything possible to ensure that they will never again be in government, I assume that as soon as we have a change of government, then this will just be reversed?

@ILoveAllRainbowsx

BJ needs to get his shit together (give up the booze and the one night stands, settle down, in a quiet little town...) or step aside for someone who can administrate better.

this feels like progress (albeit progress that I thought we'd already made, but you know what I mean)

I hope there's an exemption for small places like cafes otherwise they may simply not offer public facilities! (They don't have to if public are in the vicinity)

I don't think this would apply to premises which provide a single use toilet in a separate room for disabled and general use.
The problem is when toilet blocks are designated for mixed sex use.

Means little to trans women as they are protected under the EA2010 and will keep using the female facilities, GRA or not. So they will happily support as well. What it will result in is for more self gender or sexual policing by women who suspect other women of looking not female. Ouch for the butch lesbians and those who don’t fit a 1950s stereotype of women.

Hardly Progressive feminism….

They do need to be clear exactly what they mean by single sex and what they are going to do if they are just ignored. Schools cannot teach political opinions as fact or contested ideology as fact but they do. The government is routinely ignored. It needs to state regulations and then actually enforce them.

And it needs to be on all public buildings not just new builds. We need changes already made to be reversed. So what if it costs the organisations money perhaps they will take more care in future not to discriminate against women.

Oh mate, do you really think that? I can tell a butch woman from a male, we all can 😂 and no, the EA2010 doesn't mean males can use female facilities automatically.

Please let this be so
And please let 'single sex' mean single sex in the true sense

‘What it will result in is for more self gender or sexual policing by women who suspect other women of looking not female. Ouch for the butch lesbians and those who don’t fit a 1950s stereotype of women.’

I really don’t get this logic. Surely if it were the case that humans struggle to tell male from female people (however they present) we would spend a great deal of time trying to work out what sex someone is, and quite a lot of the time we would have to conclude that we couldn’t decide, because the person is somewhere ‘in the middle’.

But we don’t do that. We’re nearly always certain about someone’s sex.

According to the Equality Act males who identify as women can be excluded from single sex services for women , as they are not female.
However, Mishy ,perhaps you dont believe that women are entitled to the privacy and safety of single sex spaces?

I'm quite happy with there also being mixed sex toilets that men who identify as women can use. can't see an issue with that.

among school pupils there won't be any children with a GRC so no confusion can arise there of course.

and if there's ever a time when girls need privacy from males it's when they're wrestling with puberty.

Does this extend to swimming pool changing rooms? There are no separate spaces at mine, and showering after my swim this morning, I really really hated it when a man came in. It just felt totally wrong.

Oh mate, do you really think that? I can tell a butch woman from a male, we all can 😂 and no, the EA2010 doesn't mean males can use female facilities automatically.

First I’m not your mate as I don’t do exclusion. Two, you have no idea on who is treats and who is not. The amounting my lesbian gfs that get challenged is just despicable. But hey….

Who is trans and who is not. You think you do….

our mixed sex swimming pool changing cubicles have had bars added later on top to prevent people (men, let's be honest) perving at others

While mixed sex works well when we go as a family, I'd feel much more comfortable if a single sex option was available for when I go alone

oh look, it's story time

Good.

At age 11, DD rejected the better and closest school on the basis that the toilets were unisex. She said she'd never use those.

@achillestoes

Yes, but I can't see the Tories ever being in government again regardless of what he does.

Assuming that they don't win the next GE, then any other party would just reverse this wouldn't they?