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Good T**f, Bad T**f Julie Berchill article about Leftwing feminism

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Xoxoxoxoxoxox · 30/06/2022 12:24

Julie Burchill article about the fall out between some Left wing feminists and Kelly J Keen.
I think she is right in her view that Labour has not shifted and is not likely to, whether women want to leave the left for the other lot is another matter.

www.spiked-online.com/2022/06/29/why-terfs-need-to-leave-the-left/#.Yryqjdi6LWo.facebook

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MangyInseam · 01/07/2022 21:18

PearlClutch · 01/07/2022 18:05

Is there not, antifascist? Jewish (in fact any) scripture isn't something I know much about. Is there no heaven, afterlife?

There are a variety of viewpoints/tradition on this question today and also historically. As you'd expect, there are some strong connections but also some differences as well as differences of emphasis with Christianity.

MangyInseam · 01/07/2022 21:18

I mean to say, within Judaism.

PearlClutch · 01/07/2022 21:34

Ta, Mangy.

Phobiaphobic · 02/07/2022 00:09

antifascist · 30/06/2022 12:52

generally speaking women are more left wing than men.

You wouldn't know it from visiting this website where the noxious fumes of the far right are becoming ever more visible,

Bugger off then.

ZuttZeVootEeeVo · 02/07/2022 01:01

GCRich · 30/06/2022 12:44

I am sick of the nonsense. The trans movement is deeply individualistic and right wing, however much morons on both sides claim it to be left wing.

The labour party has become a right wing party that gets called left wing... but the identity "left" is actually right.

The labour party needs to return to the actual left, the economic left.

It's a male sexual rights movement, it's neither left nor right wing.

The reason why it's embraced by the left and right in the UK is because they are deeply misogynistic parties.

Both the left and the right know it's not popular, but as the left are authoritarian they think they can impose it on the electorate. Conservatives are probably wise enough to know that isn't going to work, so will have to distance themselves from it somehow or distract us with other issues and hope we don't notice the damage it does to women and girls.

EdithStourton · 02/07/2022 14:27

@AlienatedChildGrown you articulated a lot of what I feel.

It's reassuring to know that's it's not just me.

PearlClutch · 02/07/2022 14:53

The reason why it's embraced by the left and right in the UK is because they are deeply misogynistic parties.

our whole society is so misogynistic sexism often doesn't even register as sexism. It's invisible. Women are subordinated and seen as lesser than men - I really think that it's very hard for most people to see or acknowledge how deeply this attitude goes.

TastefulRainbowUnicorn · 02/07/2022 15:05

I remember the heady days of "our Judeo-Christian/Abrahamic ideas of redemption and salvation" when the Christians murdered the Jews on their way to kill the Muslims in the Crusades

imagine being multiple centuries old and still thinking and writing like a stroppy teenager. Like an Anne Rice character without the glamour.

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 02/07/2022 15:34

TastefulRainbowUnicorn · 02/07/2022 15:05

I remember the heady days of "our Judeo-Christian/Abrahamic ideas of redemption and salvation" when the Christians murdered the Jews on their way to kill the Muslims in the Crusades

imagine being multiple centuries old and still thinking and writing like a stroppy teenager. Like an Anne Rice character without the glamour.

To be fair, at some point, antifascist is going to return with an even-handed comment about Stalin's purges, the Holodomor, and what happens when you allow ideology to take precedence over science and/or policy such as the tragedy of collectivization.

Stalin and that period are fascinating and tragic reflections about what happens when ideology trumps reality and the impact of that much delayed self-destruction. There are comparable mirror images in other ideologies that have resulted in atrocities.

TheBiologyStupid · 02/07/2022 16:30

Stalin and that period are fascinating and tragic reflections about what happens when ideology trumps reality and the impact of that much delayed self-destruction. There are comparable mirror images in other ideologies that have resulted in atrocities.

Yup, ignoring the science and reality never ends well...
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysenkoism

abc5432 · 02/07/2022 20:37

'And I’m the brilliant, boastful writer who is also – just this once, in my intent not to give my X to any party that doesn’t recognise my sex – the sensible one.'
I'm with Burchill on this one. As an ex-Labour party member anyone saying 'I'll never vote Tory because they are all evil etc' is not worthy of the right to vote, when free speech is now so heavily under threat. Freedom of speech and thought will not be easy to get back once it has been removed.

2Rebecca · 02/07/2022 21:55

Love the "72 genders but only 2 political positions, left and far right" comment. So true

abc5432 · 02/07/2022 22:11

Ablababla · 30/06/2022 19:32

I don’t think either the left or the right have much to offer women. We are not considered full human beings. To the right we are private property, to the left we are public property.

Being private property is infinitely better though lol

abc5432 · 02/07/2022 22:13

EdithStourton · 02/07/2022 14:27

@AlienatedChildGrown you articulated a lot of what I feel.

It's reassuring to know that's it's not just me.

Me too. I think it is also an age thing and a relative wealth in later life thing but I would be embarrassed to admit having been a Labour Party Member in public now. So tainted has Labour become by anti-semitism, Corbynism, gender-identity ideology etc

MangyInseam · 03/07/2022 04:11

abc5432 · 02/07/2022 22:11

Being private property is infinitely better though lol

Look at the state of public toilets - if someone believes the analogy is broadly true there is certainly an argument for preferring private!

Whatiswrongwithmyknee · 06/07/2022 10:25

antifascist · 30/06/2022 12:52

generally speaking women are more left wing than men.

You wouldn't know it from visiting this website where the noxious fumes of the far right are becoming ever more visible,

Yes the TRAs and MRAs are a vocal minority who consistently show their their right wing views. If we don't want a cancel culture though, we have to let them have their say.

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