Is Pride really just turning in to one big kink fest?

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I mean, who wouldn't want to see this on a day out? 😡

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No gay person I know attends Pride now. It's been co-opted by corporations and perverts.

Quite obviously, no, it isn't. What we need now is for lesbians, gay men and bisexual people to speak up and say 'Not in our name'.

I don't know, but surely to goodness even in these strange times an unflaccid penis would ring alarm bells with the attendant police.

This is so true ^

I genuinely think this will continue to ramp up, increasingly uninhibited, until even the most "rainbow washed" corporation will take a proper look at it and actually see where it's headed. I can't see anything but a massive crash in funding brought on by some sort of huge scandal changing it now. What will it take? I don't even want to think about that, but I suspect children will have to be involved.

I am obviously referring to a naked man, jumping up and down in a rabbit mask in front on children in a parade- NOT the concept of pride which I think has been subverted from its original aims by some

i read the thread title and though oh they’re talking about that weird self fucking penis/vagina costume…

apparently not ….

Pride comes before a fall

And I think it is literally happening. Because Pride is now so linked to commerce with every company under the sun waving their pride flag for the dollars, I think they will reassess after the excess of this year, and they will back off and the money and coverage will be gone.

I'd seen that clip of that pervert flashing children already and obviously there's no pride in being a sex offender. Not last time I looked anyway.

I will add I am amazed to see a vaguely positive comment about Laurence Fox on here. I actually think he has been treated appallingly - kicked out of his job and rada because he dared to say that the press weren't being racist to Meghan Markle. Anyway, not the point of the thread, but people like LF have been vilified for adding flavour to debate and standing up to the leftist bigotry and I think the world is a poorer place without people like him, who challenge the groupthink and the latest cultural phenomenons that everyone is caught up in. He will probably have been one of the first to openly criticise Pride and obviously called a bigot homophobic pig etc. You don't have to like him, just appreciate the nature of someone prepared to challenge and question things.

Not clicking the link because it sounds grim, but FWIW, DP and I just took our DD to our local Pride, and it was absolutely lovely. I was genuinely in tears as all of the different local schools went past with their banners. It's amazing to think what a change in society there has been, that that can happen. And loads of couples with their children, as well.

I have heard bad things about some Pride events, but the one we went to was really moving and affirming and everything it's meant to be. So there is hope.

The link in the OP was to Toronto. I've also seen similar posted from New York and Seattle. Here, we've seen the (clothed) pup thing but with strong associations of "kink" ie something you don't do in public.

There is no other community event that is associated with public nudity or adult sexual activity. Here, exposing children to adult sexuality is abuse:

"Involves forcing or enticing a child or young person to take part in sexual activities, not necessarily involving a high level of violence, whether or not the child is aware of what is happening. The activities may involve physical contact, including assault by penetration (for example, rape or oral sex) or non-penetrative acts such as masturbation, kissing, rubbing and touching outside of clothing. They may also include non-contact activities, such as involving children in looking at, or in the production of, sexual images, watching sexual activities, encouraging children to behave in sexually inappropriate ways, or grooming a child in preparation for abuse. Sexual abuse can take place online, and technology can be used to facilitate offline abuse. Sexual abuse is not solely perpetrated by adult males. Women can also commit acts of sexual abuse, as can other children."
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachmentdata/file/942454/Workinggtogethertoosafeguardchildrenninteragencyyguidance.pdf

I would hazard a guess that Canada and the States have definitions like that as well.

I agree with PP that one day we will look back and shake our heads.

+You don't have to like him, just appreciate the nature of someone prepared to challenge and question things*

lawrence fox changed his twitter profile pic to an image of a swastika made from pride flags.

Ironic that about the only sexual identity that Pride won't celebrate these days is same sex attraction.

Men in dog masks being led by drag Queens in Edinburgh Pride March . Not quite sure what that has to do with Pride, unless they got Best in Show

@HydraWater I hate to burst your bubble but being LGB is STILL far from normalised I'm afraid, and unfortunately there's still far too many people who view being same sex attracted or bisexual as some kind of personality flaw. If you think otherwise, I'm guessing you're heterosexual!

Nowt to be proud of there. At all.

Stop the world I really want to get off!

There may be pockets of anti LGB stuff going on I suppose, but for the most part no one gives a damn what people do as long as it's legal and not corrupting to children (or adults). That applies to all sexual orientations BTW.

Sorry that you may experience otherwise. Have you any examples? I'm guessing it might be from those with an ultra religious viewpoint...

I think total nudity is a bit of an outlier, TBF.

There is a split among LGBTQ people that I know, with some feeling that Pride was always about shocking the status quo and fetish is a legit part of the overall scene and those who say, as have some people on this thread, that Pride was all about showing that gay people were like everyone else. I think the fact is it's been both of those to different people.

I don't think it's at all the case that the children came and OMG now, suddenly,. there's all these pervs turning up who were never there before; it's more the 'pervs' were always there and then the kids started turning up as same-sex parents became much more common (I was at Pride 30 years ago so I know what it was like then).

People just didn't note it as much as generally it wasn't an event for kids. I recognise that does create a tension now, but I also don't think we can just say 'Sorry, everyone kinky has to put it away now' because that's a big part of the scene and identity for quite a lot of people. Maybe organisers need to declare 'adult' and 'family' parts of the march and if people are going to watch they need to know there may be some sexual stuff on display?

FWIW, I think if kids see someone who likes to dress up as a dog or a pony or whatever, if they ask anything you can just say 'Those people like to dress up for fun' - that's it. You don't have to explain BDSM to them! They're really not going to want to know more than that and it doesn't have to 'destroy their innocence'

No, we don't.

I take my daughter to Pride because seeing other two-mum couples with children does a bit to counterbalance the people who send hate mail, or tell us she needs a dad, or say she can't have two mums.

I attended pride London once with a group of my gay friends. I was honestly horrified with a lot of what I saw and will never attended again !