If I was to ‘live as a man’ from tomorrow, what would I do?

[TheOGCCL]

I don’t pretend to be an expert in trans issues but I am fascinated by how society drives gendered behaviour.

I believe anyone wanting to change gender would normally ‘live’ as the opposite gender for a while, or even permanently. But what does that mean? What would I need to do to live as a man? I’m guessing use male facilities but anything else? Grow a beard? Plenty of men are clean shaven.

I don’t wear dresses or skirts or have long hair, so why do trans females sometimes think this is part of living as a woman?

The question can be whatever Kevin thinks the question is, because Kevin is a man and therefore possesses superior knowledge on any subject, just on the basis of having seen a TV programme once.

Take your phone into the toilet (gross) and stay there for an hour (so gross).

See a clean bathroom and have a shave leaving little bits of stubble everywhere.

How freeing would it be to just have a quick shower, get dressed and go (leaving a wet towel on the floor/ bed knowing that the cleaning fairy will sort it all out)

I'd go to HR and collect my tidy pay rise.

Stop removing body hair. Bliss.

That's the rather point though isn't it?

I've been thinking about this studying DH more closely over the last 2 years as we've both been working from home. The main thing I have noticed, which is really, really annoying, is that he gives zero fucks about being blunt and to the point, bordering on rude, especially if someone is wasting his time. He will put the phone down on a time waster or slam the door on a cold caller without even a second thought whereas I get tangled in all kinds of irritating female socialisation being polite, being kind BS. He doesn't even get up anymore, just leans out the window and shout hello, what? Similarly he will just say no if he doesn't want to do something whereas I find it really hard and then agonise about it afterwards or end up agreeing to things I then really resent doing.

Seriously questioning my gender after reading all this. I do a lot of this stuff and acknowledge I'm a selfish, lazy prick. I always wondered if there was something wrong with me, like adhd and felt a lot of guilt for this behaviour that takes a lot of mental effort to correct. Turns out, I'm really a man! Thanks everyone, I can be my authentic self at last and drop the worry!!

A journalist did this in this book, which I found quite readable.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-Made_Man_(book)

There is middle ground. No need to be rude nor to get entangled in unwanted conversations.

No it’s great. And we don’t need to imagine men talking about women, we already know how poorly men treat women.

Now you're living as a man, all women you see are fair game. In the street? In a cafe? Minding their own business at the park? Reading a book? Go get them, tiger

If she has headphones on, gesture or shout loudly until she removes them, they will want to talk to you and even if they seem like they don't, keep trying!

You can even shout at them across the street, but make sure to call them something rude like a slut if they ignore you, it's the best way to repair your ego.

Good luck!

My first thought was that, as a man, no matter how formal the occasion, no matter how elegantly I had to dress, even at my own wedding, or to be a celeb on the red carpet, to be a politician, to meet the Queen, or to be the wife of one of the Queen's grandsons, to dance, to be a tv presenter.... I would always, ALWAYS, be allowed to wear flat, comfy shoes without anyone thinking I looked odd or not correctly dressed.

That does look like an interesting book. I liked reading the excerpt from the Guardian - here Double Agent

Honestly the only thing is bizarrely long poos and taking the bins out.

Afraid I poo at work so that's not a man thing!

Have a number of sayings and innuendos ready to announce to the room at large that you're going for a shit and may be some time.

Also, being able to go onto a male dominated forum/sub-forum, post generally negative things (light-hearted or otherwise) about the opposite sex and engage everyone else in doing the same thing WITHOUT some self-appointed, po-faced defender of propriety popping up to say "This thread is weally weally nasty! Imagine if the sexes were reversed!!!"

Piss all over the toilet seat,and never remember anyone's birthday

Be openly GC on TV/online like Andrew Doyle, Brendan O' Neill, Douglas Murray and dozens of others without getting rape threats.

I feel trashed every time a male says he is a woman. It's all based on stereotypes isn't it? That's why no-one can say what 'feeling like a woman' or 'living like a woman' actually is. Defining me as a set of 1950's stereotypes is offensive.

I saw an "Ask me anything" thread by a transman some years ago. I asked what constituted living as the other sex, apart from wearing other-sex clothing and using an other-sex name. The OP said basically, that's what it meant.

So I presume tha, any woman called Chris or Pat or Lee who wears trousers and flat shoes because they're comfortable could get a GRC.

Your partner may join a trans widower group and make fun of you.

On the transwidows threads I've read a lot of grief, pain, shock, fear, concern for the children, kindness, sympathy, etc etc. Not a lot of making fun, though I can guess it might occasionally help ease the pain and fear.

You may notice you are targetted more for abuse and violence in the street.

WTF -- more than a woman get? You are deluding yourself. Read the stats and compare numbers of women killed in the UK (hundreds) with number of transwomen killed (I believe that iz zero most years but there was one a few years back).

Get a pay rise.

On that basis I am a transman (5 tops same style different patterns on rotation with identical trousers, minimal/no accessories, no makeup, same hairstyle every day etc etc)

Shows how stupid the suggestions for what makes someone a man or a woman as I am still definitely a woman (I don't mean the suggestions on this thread to be clear, I mean the whole put on high heels and a dress and you must be a woman suggestions).