If I was to ‘live as a man’ from tomorrow, what would I do?

[TheOGCCL]

I don’t pretend to be an expert in trans issues but I am fascinated by how society drives gendered behaviour.

I believe anyone wanting to change gender would normally ‘live’ as the opposite gender for a while, or even permanently. But what does that mean? What would I need to do to live as a man? I’m guessing use male facilities but anything else? Grow a beard? Plenty of men are clean shaven.

I don’t wear dresses or skirts or have long hair, so why do trans females sometimes think this is part of living as a woman?

Your first mistake was to ask the opinion of women, your second would be to actually listen.

I’m single and child free so I’m not sure my actions would be different.

but the world I have to deal with would be. I was seated next to a manspreader yesterday. Argh.

Brilliant 😭

Me too but, just for one-upmanship, I got a pretty nifty beard too: thanks menopause 🙄Actually make it 15 all: I don't like Guinness.

I'm not a man either but I'm pretty sure if gender ideology had been a thing when I was a kid, me and my football season ticket would have been a prime target for transition 😡

I used to be able to cross my legs twice over like elastic bands. But now I can't. Further , I often extend the left one slightly to the side to get relief from pain in hips. Sorry.

To come back to the OP. If you are 50 + you could visit your GP and ask for PSA test. Tell then you are up and down to the loo all night like a fiddler's elbow. Such larks.

TBF you don't HAVE to do that as a woman. I agree you may well get judged differently than a man would, but <<shrug>> who cares as long as the people you care about love you?
I'm a woman and have short hair that needs no real attention, I don't wear make-up, am usually to be found dressed in joggers and a vest or jumper, only put on jewellery if I feel like it etc. I still have friends and my family and household still speak to me.

To 'live as a man' I suppose one would need to get paid more for doing the same job, take up space on pavements and tube seats, and assume women are going to defer to you on narrow pavements.

I haven't RTT so I'm likely repeating someone but as a man you MUST absolutely take to Twitter exclaim you have 'NO IDEA why women are so upset about x, y and z' then proceed to block anyone who explains x, y and z to you so that you can a) talk about how MEAN and BIGOTED these women are and b) exclaim again how you have NO IDEA why women are so upset. (This scenario as pointed out by other women on twitter first - I am poaching it as it is simply what happens almost daily).

I think this is how you 'man properly' online.

First of all you would lose many of your friends, especially if they are the ones that think being trans is trendy. You may lose your job eventually, definitely any promotions. Your partner may join a trans widower group and make fun of you. You would go see your GP and get told you can see a specialist in 18 weeks as per the NHS rules but they will chortle that its probably going to be 5 years before you hear back. You may notice you are targetted more for abuse and violence in the street. Some people will just keeop calling you 'Miss' because they're bullies. You will have to track your own gyni schedule because the NHS will drop you from their records. If you;d been younger you may have been able to have PBs but only the most suicidal 5-10% are allowed those. And people will constantly tell you that you are really just a lesbian even though ( assumption here ) you are still attracted to men.

Taking everyone's obsession with poo, your farts will smell less. Yes, scientific fact

What a load of rubbish.

Where are all these trans widower groups set up by men? Where is the huge influx of heterosexual women transitioning to be men in middle age?

Come to think of it, why don’t you tell us the age profile of FTM transitioners and then break it down by sexuality? What proportion of FTM transitioners are attracted to men?

If you knowingly have your sex marker on NHS records changed, whose responsibility is it if you don’t get invited to gynae screenings any more?

Where is this mass abuse and violence in the street of transmen? We normally get told it’s TW who are being abused.

This is all some kind of guilt trip made up fantasy.

You would go see your GP and get told you can see a specialist in 18 weeks as per the NHS rules but they will chortle that its probably going to be 5 years before you hear back.

How is this 'living as a man'? Do men do this?
It doesn't make sense. This is something that would be tested to see if someone has gender dysphoria? Or did you misunderstand the question?

Your partner may join a trans widower group and make fun of you.

Suuuure, that happens. The threads are right here on Mumsnet for everyone to see.

I don't understand how any of those things are things that would be proof of living as a man.
If you went to a gender clinic and said 'I've been living as a man by tracking my periods and losing my friends' they would probably look at you slightly oddly.
Of course, it makes as much sense as 'I've been living as a man by getting tattoos' I suppose.

THIS!!!S

and the hobby

What does “stereotypically female way” mean? Is there an objective definition? And what qualifies a psychologist to decide if the person applying for a GRC fulfils this requirement?

Well, precisely, that's part of the argument for removing some of the hoops that trans people have to jump through to get a GRC.

A bit depressing that this thread is just trotting out an endless stream of negative male stereotypes. Imagine if a bunch of men were all trashing women like this.

Anyway - I've been assuming that most people on here already know it, but in case not - the requirement for 'living in an acquired gender' is as follows (alongside a gender dysphoria diagnosis):

1. Time living in your acquired gender

To qualify for recognition under this provision you must be able to prove that you have lived full time in your acquired gender for at least two years before the date of your application. [...]

We need you to provide evidence in the form of documents that are dated and include your name in your acquired gender. If the evidence is in a different name to the one you have used on the application form, you will need to show that it does relate to you.
Evidence could take a variety of forms. The following lists some examples:
• Official documentation e.g. driving licence and passport;
• Payslips or HM Revenue & Customs (HMRC) documents such as a P60 or P45;
• Department of Work and Pensions or HMRC benefit or tax letters or
documents;
• Bank or other financial institution documents or statements;
• Letters from official, professional or business organisations such as from
solicitors, accountants, dentists, doctors, employers or letters from people who
know you on a personal basis;
• Utility bills;
• Academic certificates or documentation;
• Health Care or identity cards including photo ID issued by an official
organisation.
This list is not exhaustive and is only intended as a guideline.

...
Typically five or six different documents should be included with an
application including where relevant a passport, driving licence, payslips or benefit documents, utility bills or other documents of an official nature.

You will have to track your own gyni schedule because the NHS will drop you from their records.

That is something us meanies on here have been pointing out for a long time. It is something that needs resolving, easiest way is for the sex marker to not be changed, but you know that isn't acceptable.

definitely any promotions.

Women already get overlooked so no difference there then.

You would go see your GP and get told you can see a specialist in 18 weeks as per the NHS rules but they will chortle that its probably going to be 5 years before you hear back.

The NHS is letting a lot of groups down, many can't be seen at all. Women are fobbed off for being a woman and /or our age.

So in essence a transman has as a rough a deal as a boring old woman. And so, the world keeps spinning.

We don’t have to imagine it. Most of us know full well how some men hate women Thankyou

How liberating vs having to wash and dry hair, apply makeup, dress in lots of different styles, accessorise etc. It’s such a bloody waste of brain power (and yet I do it every day)

the only bit of that I do is wash and dry hair and I'm a woman. And drying hair = quick blast with hair dryer.ni

This morning I overslept so left the house within 15 minutes of actually getting out of bed. Can't understand how women make it so complicated - even those who never wear makeup.

Relinquish yourself of any family mental load

This was my experience of parenting with a man. Yup. And no acknowledgement from them that they were doing this.

*Forgot to clarify that in that 15 minutes I showered, cleaned my teeth, the lot. Skipped breakfast and bought it at the station instead but otherwise cut no corners.

Oh look, Kevin has turned up to mansplain to all of the wimmin here.