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Midday today on Radio 4, new programme AntiSocial talks about the toxic conversation on social media about trans rights and women's rights

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nauticant · 24/06/2022 08:35

Midday today on Radio 4 is a new programme called AntiSocial which is about how debates on social media can turn nasty. The series starts today with:

Why is the conversation about trans rights and women's rights so toxic?

This week, two sports governing bodies decided that trans women should not compete in women's categories. Other sports announced they would review their policies. There's a row about that, but beneath that is a deeper argument about how the tensions around gender identity are discussed and debated.

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0018h14

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ThinkingaboutLangClegosaurus · 25/06/2022 10:08

Artichokeleaves · 24/06/2022 15:25

The horse has long since bolted about the 'we just mean people who have had some kind of meaningful transition'. It's over. That one's been exploded. Because as has been proven: there is no one on the door gatekeeping, no one goes around doing 'passing' assessments and awarding entry badges, and many people show highly distorted thinking on whether others are aware of their sex and transition even in the face of obvious evidence.

If any male may enter female spaces then all males can and will enter female spaces, including the ones with beards and swords and with any agenda, plus it's handed the male sex the entitlement and power to say to females I can make you uncomfortable and exclude you and go where you want however it affects or distresses you and you can't stop me . In fact I can call the police on you or threaten or hurt you if you dare because it's fine to do what you want to sub human women who thwart males t*s.

Damage done. Ship sailed. Ex parrot. And still the unmentioned issue that even if you restrict it to the Layla Moran assessed, meaningfully transitioned, absolutely lovely TW - their presence still excludes some females from the female single sex space to let males in.

So the question is still: should we take access and inclusion away from females as a sex class and let some females have no resources at all, in order to give more access and inclusion to males as a sex class and let them have their preferred choice from all the resources? Which is sex based, and flat out male supremacist. It sees male people as intrinsically more valuable than female ones, and never needs a genital check to know if you're one of the winners or one of the losers. Which makes an absolute nonsense of 'some males are women'. No. They are not. Women don't get privileged like this.

So the question is still: should we take access and inclusion away from females as a sex class and let some females have no resources at all, in order to give more access and inclusion to males as a sex class and let them have their preferred choice from all the resources? … Which makes an absolute nonsense of 'some males are women'. No. They are not. Women don't get privileged like this.

The entire issue in a nutshell. As you say, it’s sex based, and flat out male supremacist.

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