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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

German FA says players can chose to play on either “men” or “women” team

22 replies

Inamuddle36 · 23/06/2022 18:40

Transgender and non-binary players — and presumably anyone — can chose whatever gender team they wish to play on.
????!!!!
edition.cnn.com/2022/06/23/football/transgender-footballers-german-fa-spt-intl/index.html

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achillestoes · 23/06/2022 19:02

Bizarre.

IstayedForTheFeminism · 23/06/2022 19:06

So German football just has 2 mixed sex teams then. How will they decide which team goes up against other countries mens team and which one goes against women?

Gastonia · 23/06/2022 19:13

Here's The Times article - I don't have a share token
www.thetimes.co.uk/article/transgender-footballers-in-germany-can-choose-mens-or-womens-team-9gdhk0rrw

ResisterRex · 23/06/2022 19:17

Here you go

Transgender footballers in Germany can choose men’s or women’s team

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0884bcfe-f2e0-11ec-beb3-8cbcdd742a95?shareToken=34d416d420b0c59518bb469f52aaf67e

"The German directive applies to transgender players who can now switch at a self-determined time or remain initially in the team in which they had been playing previously. A statement said that as long as the sporting activity does not affect the health of the person while they are taking medication, the person can take part in the game. The new regulation excludes doping relevance.
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Thomas Hitzlsperger, the former Germany and Aston Villa midfielder, is now the diversity officer for the DFB. He said: “With the regulation of the right to play, we are creating further important prerequisites to enable players of different gender identities to play.”"

Looks like it only considers one person but the doping element feels opaque. And:

"The new rules take effect in the coming season and will be incorporated into the DFB’s game regulations and its youth team regulations."

Sounds like the end of the girls' game.

Signalbox · 23/06/2022 20:05

So can all the premier league women identify into premier league men’s team and get paid accordingly or does this “choose what team you play in” only apply to male people?

Inamuddle36 · 23/06/2022 20:17

Good question, SignalBox!
presumably the men will have to accept women on their teams if women have to accept men.
will make for interesting world cups.

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5zeds · 23/06/2022 20:20

Surely they mean try out for the team?

achillestoes · 23/06/2022 20:44

‘So can all the premier league women identify into premier league men’s team and get paid accordingly or does this “choose what team you play in” only apply to male people?’

Yes but they’re not good enough. They should train harder. Work harder. Be as good as the men, the lazy baggages.

LeniGray · 23/06/2022 21:04

Inamuddle36 · 23/06/2022 20:17

Good question, SignalBox!
presumably the men will have to accept women on their teams if women have to accept men.
will make for interesting world cups.

Fifa make the rules for world cups. They’re currently reviewing their policies, and I suspect (and hope) will follow FINA’s lead: they’re looking at the science.

GrumpyPanda · 23/06/2022 21:15

According to today's Süddeutsche Zeitung this relates to youth and amateur sections only, which often field mixed teams anyway. So no talk of extending to professional women's teams. Then again, this is the football association which "rewarded" the national women's team for their first world cup win with porcelain coffee sets.

Inamuddle36 · 23/06/2022 21:41

Either CNN is reporting incorrectly or the German FA has not defined the rule clearly, as this statement suggests players can “play” on any team, not just try out:
”Transgender and non-binary footballers can now decide themselves whether to play for a men's or women's team instead of being bound by personal identification data, the German Football Association (DFB) said on Thursday.”

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Conflictedunicorn · 23/06/2022 22:03

It would be epic if loads of women joined the men’s international football team, and they tanked at the World Cup as obviously they’d be playing against men. Didn’t a group of 15 year old boys from a high school beat the USA women’s team?

JellySaurus · 23/06/2022 22:25

A statement said that as long as the sporting activity does not affect the health of the person while they are taking medication, the person can take part in the game. The new regulation excludes doping relevance.

Does this mean that a female can take testosterone and continue to play on the women's team, as long as this female identifies as a man, but a woman who takes testosterone will be banned under doping regulations?

5zeds · 24/06/2022 17:39

I’m going to guess the men get automatic access and a place on the team and the women get to try out for the team…..I wonder how they are going to rationalise it?

334bu · 24/06/2022 17:45

I am sure women'll get to make the coffee and cakes as well as trying out for but not getting into the team.

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Truthlikeness · 25/06/2022 10:51

"A statement said that as long as the sporting activity does not affect the health of the person while they are taking medication, the person can take part in the game."

What about the health of female players now expected to tackle strapping 6-footers with twice the muscle mass?

SmallSoupcon · 25/06/2022 10:55

Truthlikeness · 25/06/2022 10:51

"A statement said that as long as the sporting activity does not affect the health of the person while they are taking medication, the person can take part in the game."

What about the health of female players now expected to tackle strapping 6-footers with twice the muscle mass?

Exactly. Pure sex discrimination. Again.

FrancescaContini · 25/06/2022 10:56

GrumpyPanda · 23/06/2022 21:15

According to today's Süddeutsche Zeitung this relates to youth and amateur sections only, which often field mixed teams anyway. So no talk of extending to professional women's teams. Then again, this is the football association which "rewarded" the national women's team for their first world cup win with porcelain coffee sets.

😲

Preedium · 25/06/2022 18:05

I've come across German clubs fielding mixed teams - which is surely madness - v high risk of injury to the women and girls.

LeniGray · 25/06/2022 20:57

Truthlikeness · 25/06/2022 10:51

"A statement said that as long as the sporting activity does not affect the health of the person while they are taking medication, the person can take part in the game."

What about the health of female players now expected to tackle strapping 6-footers with twice the muscle mass?

What about the health of female players now expected to tackle strapping 6-footers with twice the muscle mass?

They’re just womb-carriers, they don’t matter 😉

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