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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Child rapist now known as "Rose Whitby" jailed for 10 years

95 replies

BitMuch · 16/06/2022 19:18

The child rapist, also known as Matthew Whitby and Matheu Babic, had previously been convicted for two rapes and the attempted rape of young women.

He was referred to in court as 'she' and in the news report as 'she' and 'they': www.stokesentinel.co.uk/news/stoke-on-trent-news/sex-beast-carried-out-campaign-7207216 (link contains a description of the attacks on the young girl)

'Whitby was this week handed a 15-and-a-half year extended jail sentence after admitting three charges of raping a child under the age of 13 in relation to the latest victim. The defendant has been classed as 'dangerous' and must serve two-thirds of the 10-and-a-half year custodial sentence before she can be considered for parole.'

'The victim reported the abuse in May, 2021 and the defendant denied the allegations. But on January 2 this year they flagged down police, said they wanted to be arrested for a rape, and would kill themselves by jumping off a bridge if not arrested.

Kelly Cyples, mitigating, said the defendant has struggled to come to terms with her actions but accepts them. She said: "She tried to put it in a box, lock it away, and forget about it. She expresses her deep sense of remorse and shame for her actions."

Whitby has been handed an indefinite Sexual Harm Prevention Order.

Judge David Fletcher told the defendant: "These matters are much more serious than the matters you were convicted of in 2013. This was a particularly vulnerable child due to her extreme youth and circumstances. This was a campaign of rape. You are clearly a dangerous offender."'

Child rapist now known as "Rose Whitby" jailed for 10 years
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whatwasyournamesorry · 18/06/2022 08:31

Happy to have tax
Money used to castrate this evil
Monster

ComDummings · 18/06/2022 08:35

Seriously hope that fucker is in a male prison.

RudsyFarmer · 18/06/2022 08:49

I thought this excellent article explained the situation well. The whole family sound very sick indeed.

www.stokesentinel.co.uk/news/stoke-on-trent-news/unremarkable-stoke-trent-familys-record-7211641

FrancescaContini · 18/06/2022 09:14

NotBadConsidering · 18/06/2022 01:58

They don’t. No one does. But they avoid it, and any questions around it like the plague. When I say “they” I mean TRAs and trans supportive posters who frequent this board. They know they can’t get out of this one. Because the only two possibilities are:

a) this person is definitely 100% trans and a woman, and TRAs have to acknowledge that he is just as much a risk - no more, no less - than any other male in women’s spaces, and therefore proves women’s concerns are valid. Or

b) this person is definitely not trans, but has assumed a trans identity in order to try and manipulate courts, sentencing and prison for the better for himself, taking advantage of the clear loopholes that exist, and as such, proves women’s concerns are valid.

They know this. The sensible TRAs (oxymoronic?) just pretend it never happens so they don’t have answer the question. Some do commit fully and claim they are definitely trans, like with Karen White or that gamer guy who raped his grandmother.

It’s beyond belief that trained, educated people - presumably some of the brightest - look the other way or actively collude in this / pander to sick fucks like this rapist.

Where is the poor girl, a child, who was raped, in all of this?

I hope that piece of shit goes to a prison for MEN and thoroughly enjoys his time surrounded by other cons who like to give rapists a dose of their own medicine.

FlibbertyGiblets · 18/06/2022 09:26

Those asking about can we find out which prison - the answer is no. Unless you are a victim or a family member, or a solicitor, members of the public will not be told where a convict is placed.
www.gov.uk/find-prisoner

Using she and her for trans women convicted of male crimes is due to IPSO guidelines, which imo were conceived with the best intentions (to not sensationalise or demonise) but backfire has happened which is why we see photos of the perpetrators, I reckon - so that public can see. Obvs not fit for purpose.

The family here is utterly foul, shuddersome.

ChuckBerrysBoots · 18/06/2022 09:46

Wow. I knew of this family a long time ago. It’s distressing, though unsurprising, that the abuse is continuing through the generations. What a mess.

RandomUser10093 · 18/06/2022 09:50

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ChuckBerrysBoots · 18/06/2022 10:39

@Handsoffreturns professionally but not directly. Probably a bit outing to say more than that.

I think it’s probably more common than we think because of the fear of reporting.

axolotlfloof · 18/06/2022 11:06

TullyApplebottom · 17/06/2022 14:14

It is literally unbelievable. Much of this stuff I can laugh at but this, no. It is a profound offence to women and they know it. It’s why they do it.

Absolutely. This is offensive. A rapist should never be referred to as a woman in court.

Zeugma · 18/06/2022 12:03

The whole case is clearly beyond grotesque but I have to say, I’ve seen much worse reporting. I think they were doing their best to lay out the true picture in that article, and nobody would be in any doubt after reading it as to what was really going on.

I can’t remember who the journalist is on here who sometimes drops by and very helpfully explains how restricting the rules now are, but there are ways to signal things. I think they did a reasonable job in that report, discounting a couple of stray ‘she’ and ‘theys’.

But yes, it’s horrific. And totally unacceptable that this should be happening in a court of law.

FlibbertyGiblets · 18/06/2022 12:07

Our resident journo is Janice, she pops by occasionally and gives us her opinion, sometimes we have to be put straight by her - she has actual coalface experience, so to speak. I really value her input.

(sends up the batsignal for @JaniceBattersby )

ChuckBerrysBoots · 18/06/2022 12:57

I agree, the article does a good job of exposing the pretence.

ChuckBerrysBoots · 18/06/2022 12:57

(within the reporting restrictions obv)

Zeugma · 18/06/2022 13:48

Yes, thank you, Flibberty, it was Janice I was thinking of. Always excellent to have her insight re reporting restrictions.

IcakethereforeIam · 18/06/2022 14:07

In the newspaper article linked above by @RudsyFarmer it states other people came forward after seeing reports on an initial charge against their attacker. In this instance though not by the person who is trans. However, we've all seen articles where the attacker is only referred to using their new name and pronouns. Perhaps I'm mistaken but I thought one of the reasons for reporting on these cases was to alert potential victims, witnesses, etc. So I usually see other names, aliases, and so on. Why not when the perpetrator is trans, why are earlier identities often not mentioned. Am I just wrong about this or am I right but the ipso guidance takes precidence?

Madamecastafiore · 18/06/2022 14:17

But women can't be charged with rape. 🤷🏻‍♀️

flowerypillowcase · 18/06/2022 17:14

If he was so keen to confess I'm concerned it was because he knew he'd end up in women's prison - which is exactly where he wants to be.

JaniceBattersby · 18/06/2022 17:36

FlibbertyGiblets · 18/06/2022 12:07

Our resident journo is Janice, she pops by occasionally and gives us her opinion, sometimes we have to be put straight by her - she has actual coalface experience, so to speak. I really value her input.

(sends up the batsignal for @JaniceBattersby )

Thanks @FlibbertyGiblets .

I think the Sentinel have done a really excellent job in this piece, and in the follow up. The journalist clearly knows what’s what.

The equal treatment bench book compels court professionals (barristers, judges etc) to refer to someone by their preferred pronouns and goes further, saying that a person’s birth gender should only be referred to if it’s strictly necessary to the facts of the case. It says there is usually no need to refer to the fact someone is trans..

Separately, IPSO guidelines state that journalists must only refer to someone’s transgenderism if it’s strictly relevant to the story. It would take a very tough editor to go up against IPSO. It would be like expecting Maureen in the corner shop to challenge Arla on their milk prices.

Defamation and contempt of court laws mean journalists are legally covered against libel if they provide a fair, accurate and balanced report of the proceedings.

So you have a barrister referring to the defendant as she because the equal treatment bench book tells her to, and a reporter directly quoting that barrister using the female pronoun because if she doesn’t, it’s not an accurate report of the proceedings and leaves her open to a contempt prosecution.

Aside from in the direct quotes, the Sentinel largely avoids using the female pronoun in their court report and goes further in the backgrounder by referring to the defendant as he (because that’s factually correct - he was a he when he committed the previous crimes).

That backgrounder is also incredibly comprehensive and shows the care, diligence and doggedness that has gone into reporting on this family over many years.

This kind of reporting is so, so difficult for regional journalists because they don’t have the clout of Times
or Daily Mail reporters so I think it’s really important to note when they do a great job.

Changechangychange · 18/06/2022 17:50

Hagiography · 16/06/2022 20:28

'formerly known as Matthew Babich, who lived in Thorpe Green, Newstead, and back in 2013 was convicted of two rapes and an attempted rape of young women. He was in prison with his father, Milan Babic, who was sentenced to life in prison after being convicted of 40 serious sexual crimes against eight women.

Matthew Babich’s younger brother, Mikorli Babich, was sentenced to three years in prison after being convicted of one count of rape'

Christ.

It is quite clear that this person is how they are because of their appalling upbringing. Obviously no excuse for raping a child, but their transition sounds part and parcel of their other problems really.

glitterfarts · 19/06/2022 01:11

Rose is trans. Good. I think Rose should be actively and continuously encouraged to chop their dick off as part of their transition. This seems like a great idea.

Why can't there be a trans wing in the male prison for all these rapists who suddenly realise that they are women when faced with prison and being locked up for the very un-feminine crime of rape or paedophilia.

Megbabic981 · 21/05/2024 23:19

This is a little late. I’m Meggan Babic the youngest daughter of Milan and Deborah Babic, my brother is Matthew Babic also know as rose Whitby. The little girl he raped and did things to with there dad was to me and my family and many many others. What my brothers and mother and farther have down is horrific. I’m still making people aware of this and making sure no one goes near my family so they can’t be harmed. I’m the one who sent my brother back to prison in 2022 and it was the best thing I have ever done. I have also made allegations against my farther but they refused it because of “his old age”. My father is now 72 and I’m 19. They said because of his fragile age he doesn’t deserve life in prison. My punishment was to do what I got told to do or he put a gun against my head. I don’t support anything that they have said and I think no one else would either. I just wanted to spread awareness and make people see that that little girl has survived and no longer a victim of there crimes.

Ramblingnamechanger · 21/05/2024 23:55

Megbabic you are very brave for coming here and posting, and for what you do to warn others. Sympathy for what has happened to you. It must be very hard but you have done what you can, and I am glad you are pleased you reported. Best wishes to you and hope you have a peaceful life now.

Rightsraptor · 22/05/2024 04:59

How horrendous for you, Meggan.

I'm struggling with the idea of your father being considered too old at 72 now to spend his life in prison. That is no age at all in terms of ability to do harm, plenty of men his age and older are jailed.

I wish you well.

MrsTerryPratchett · 22/05/2024 05:15

More like he'd be expensive to house in prison because of his age and health.

Flowers
Newnamehiwhodis · 22/05/2024 05:20

The system seems to protect criminals more than it protects the innocent.
disgusting.

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