Waitrose delivery driver

[MsMoorhead]

Kellie Jay-Keen reported by her Waitrose delivery driver!

If she wanted the driver sacked she would have called Waitrose straight after the incident. She is outraged at getting told off by Waitrose when she did nothing wrong

KJK is trying to get Carol sacked?

It’s not that clear.
Again “I’ll take my time” rude but understandable after just being sworn at, and not a refusal to leave but rather a reluctant agreement to leave.

On the shared spaces thing. KJK related tit for tat what was said to its conclusion of get off my property and the driver leaving. There was no mention of the driver saying this. It is only much later in the video, when talking about the Dear Carol letter does she then allege the driver said they’d be sharing spaces with her daughter. Its not in her initial account of events. However you look at it, it’s her changing her side of the story. I’m not saying she’s lying, but it’s not clear cut.

Akin to. Have a read of that again champ. Belief in an innate gender is not akin to a religious view, it is a religious view.

Why are you trying to claim that a man with gender dysphoria is really a woman?

So in topsy-turvy world, responding to allegations made by someone else is trying to get them sacked... If you are accused by an organisation of treating their employee badly and warned as to your future conduct, you are entitled to respond to that.

She wants the driver sacked now. I agree she did not until she got the letter. She feels she was justified in verbally abusing the driver.

There are lots of people upset today that womyn are thinking for themselves!

Seriously... do you have access to the inner thoughts of KJ?? How the heck do you know that she wants the driver sacked??

Yes, they collect data on other religious beliefs too. You know this though, so why the disingenuity?

I recall when they started doing this, it was rather controversial, and somewhat mocked.

Hence the push to get lots of people to put "Jedi" in there to get it "officially recognised".

Sorry, “gender critical” is the (fringe) philosophical/religious view

“Are gender critical views capable of amounting to a philosophical belief? Yes, decided the Employment Appeal Tribunal (EAT) in Forstater v CGD Europe UKEAT/0105/20. Religion or belief is a protected characteristic, in accordance with Section 10 of the Equality Act 2010”
www.rcn.org.uk/magazines/advice/2021/september/legal-update-gender-critical-views-and-belief-protection

I watched her video. That’s how I know.

It is not a fringe view that a man in a dress claiming to be a woman is still male.

It’s the majority view, and accords with the facts. No matter how much it upsets you that people won’t play along, it’s not going to happen.

Telling a trans male that they are a woman is identical to telling an anorexic that they are obese.

KJK related tit for tat what was said to its conclusion of get off my property and the driver leaving.

I'm confused. I thought your earlier stance was that KJK was an unreliable narrator and you were emphatic that nobody knew the driver's version of the event? It seems that you're now relying upon her version of events but insisting upon your own interpretation and editorialisation as a Received Truth.

@Discovereads I have to say that you are one of the most eloquent TRAs I have ever seen on this board. If you were to actually make a valid point I'd be dead impressed

Sorry, “gender critical” is the (fringe) philosophical/religious view
Oh, you wish... But wishing won't make it so. thank Christ

@Discovereads can you tell us the time in the video where she says that, thanks.

I can't be arsed reading the last few pages but I hope that the driver is sacked.

I have to say that you are one of the most eloquent TRAs I have ever seen on this board.

I'll second that. It's actually like a real debate.

Debating GC people is probably a bit transphobic, tbh. You shouldn't be coplatforming with us. 😁

Can folks maybe cut down on the crappy Mumsnet quote function though? Just had to scroll past two screenfuls of a single six-layer-nested quote.

Hopefully the next woman he intimidates gives him a kick in the balls.

@CanaryWharf2
On gender critical beliefs you said:
”It’s the majority view, and accords with the facts. No matter how much it upsets you that people won’t play along, it’s not going to happen.”

You can think that, but then there are the facts. Every year YouGov publish a report on the attitudes of the British public to transgendered people. It asks very straight questions such as:

(1) Is a transgender woman a woman, (marginally most people think so).
(2) Is a transgender man a man, (again the majority of people think so).
(3) Should trans women be able to use a Ladies loo, (the vast majority of people think so).

And of course, there are many more questions too. A link to the survey is below. In the main, people appear to be more "trans-friendly" if they are young, left-wing or liberal. The survey shows one other very significant point, though. Women are more trans-friendly than men.

yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2020/07/16/where-does-british-public-stand-transgender-rights

That survey was commissioned by Pink News... A targeted audience, don't you think?!

You know that this is because normal people are confused by the names, so think a trans woman is a natal female. When this is corrected the stats of course revert to what you’d expect.

You really are demonstrating all of the standard TRA lies and obfuscations here. It’s strange, have none of you actually got enough education and intelligence to try to firm a valid, honest argument?

It’s as though you all got your degrees from Bournemouth.

I (and others) have mentioned that we don’t have the delivery drivers side of the story, which no one has objected to. I have said her video is barely coherent. If you listen to it she interrupts herself constantly to go on about completely unrelated things. So it makes it challenging to piece together her side of the story. But I don’t think she is an unreliable narrator as a whole as I think she is being honest with only one questionable piece which is when she appears to materially change her story in her response letter to Waitrose.

So, it’s not obfuscation to claim that “normal people” are too stupid to fill out a You.gov survey correctly because the results don’t support your claim as to what the majority view is in Britain? And it’s not a lie to to say “when this is corrected the stats revert” when you know no such “correction” was needed or exists on You.gov?

How is posting an actual You.gov survey supporting my assertion being dishonest?

Yougov carried out the survey so PinkNews could not have influenced who responded to the survey or how they responded. YouGov is an international research data and analytics group. A study by the Pew Research Center concluded that YouGov “consistently outperforms competitors on accuracy”