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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Emily Bridges in the news again

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BatDuck · 07/06/2022 18:44

There’s a lot to unpack here. The violent abuse Bridges received is utter disgraceful and rightly it should be acknowledged that Bridges should be able to live Bridges life without fear or harassment.

The tenor of the debate is not helped by these woe is me articles that have been dripping into the media since the New Year. Quite frankly, it feels like propaganda as there’s no push back on the issue at play: males do not belong in female sport.

www.itv.com/news/2022-06-07/emily-bridges-had-physical-threats-after-pms-trans-participation-comments

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Madamecastafiore · 08/06/2022 06:23

Helleofabore · 07/06/2022 21:34

I haven’t worked out whether Bridge’s feeling of ultimate entitlement is due to Bridge’s being constantly reassured that Bridge’s is fully entitled to female sports or is a person with a particular personality ‘type’ that I probably can’t mention on this thread or it will be deleted. The one where it is only ever about making them feel good.

Either the statements made tonight must go down as some of the most hypocritical statements made by Bridges so far.

Please Emily, do keep delivering interviews like this. Between you and Thomas, the statements you make show the world more than you could ever imagine. Every time, more people are being pushed into uncomfortable realisations that they cannot support male inclusion in female sport.

No ‘bans’ here. Just compete against your own sex.

I think Bridges sense of entitlement comes from being genetically male. That's the driver in the TWAW agenda, they're used to getting exactly what they want as men and are a little shocked that's it's not the case when they hurdle the fence and slap on some make up and a dress.

BatDuck · 08/06/2022 06:37

EB set the British 25 mile time trial record as a teenager. It’s not the sort of race you see Mark Cavendish, an out and out sprinter, compete in.

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bloodyunicorns · 08/06/2022 06:45

Bridges is all about what Bridges wants and absolutely sod all empathy for women. Quelle surprise!

Men don't belong in women's sports. 'Fellow female'?? Fuck off!

Crap interviewing.

I'm sorry if Bridges has had death threats, but it's ridiculous to blame the PM for that.

WalkerWalking · 08/06/2022 06:53

I don't understand EB's point? There are lots and lots of males who are not as quick as the top female professionals. But those males aren't beating women in professional races.

EB is absolutely being played. This is lose-lose. The way it's being presented here is that trans women can only compete with women because they're not going to win.

WalkerWalking · 08/06/2022 06:57

If I were to start taking testosterone, I wouldn't suddenly start beating Laura Kenny. Does that mean I should be allowed to compete whilst taking controlled substances, so long as it doesn't raise my performance higher than the best of the best? And if I DID start winning, then we would have the discussion again?

Theeyeballsinthesky · 08/06/2022 07:09

hahaha the tweet itv put up promoting it got ratioed to fuck, the sports producer for itv theb tweeted to say ppl commenting Shld be respectful
twitter.com/dsj_itv/status/1534206194788749314?s=21&t=h6dQBoXpvqfgEWJeSX8ZqA

that too got ratioed to fuck 😆

the public just aren’t having it.

Helleofabore · 08/06/2022 08:03

As the lobbyists keep moving the goal post, so should we.

Is there any other group of human that can take performance limiting medication and be moved into a category to ‘remain competitive’?

Let’s make this about categories, and continue to call these male competitors (despite ITV not questioning that last night) and point out that other athletes have had to cope with their disappointment but cannot change into the female category.

This casual ‘other female’ athletes is proof that these males want to change the definition of female. And the public who might have been previously sympathetic is rapidly losing sympathy.

Keep talking Thomas and Bridges. Keep at it. Keep telling the public you want to stay competitive and cannot possibly race against males competitively. Sunlight exposes everything.

BatDuck · 08/06/2022 08:12

I’m not sure the vast majority of the public have ever been sympathetic to people who are perceived to cheat or game the system in this country. We have a fierce sense of fair play. Look at quickly those heroes who have found to dope quickly become discarded.
My feeling is the general public have a live and let live approach to people general but when it comes to sport, there’s a red line that cannot be crossed. Bridges and the many other male cyclists still riding in the women’s category cross that line.

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Helleofabore · 08/06/2022 08:13

Yes. I don’t doubt the majority does bat. However I think even the public who was sympathetic will be reconsidering now.

NeedToKnow101 · 08/06/2022 08:21

More male athletes need to speak out against this. They have 'lived experience' of their stronger, faster bodies. I feel really let down by Andy Murray, who is usually a great supporter of women. Let's hope Bradley Wiggins, Chris Hoy and other top cyclists speak out, and say they welcome trans identifying men onto male teams.

Charley50 · 08/06/2022 08:33

It's so sinister. It's worldwide. There is big money behind all of this. Everything women have fought for is being colonised and destroyed.

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 08/06/2022 08:41

It's so sinister. It's worldwide.

Do you recall those bizarre few days when stories and wiki entries were edited to try and convince us that Lia Thomas is only 5ft 8?

MoltenLasagne · 08/06/2022 08:49

The twitter algorithms at play again, pushing the pro-Emily tweets to the top despite the ones questioning male entitlement having far more recommends.

As a PP said, the blatant lies and obfuscation by MSM and the clear manipulation of social media about something we all know to be false is massively damaging people's trust. No wonder people are turning to conspiracy theories.

axolotlfloof · 08/06/2022 08:57

I have complained to itv
[email protected]
Bridges describes Bridges as female and this goes entirely unchallenged by the interviewer, despite it being blatantly false.

InvisibleDragon · 08/06/2022 09:31

I am fed up with "having empathy for" someone being synonymous with "giving them what they want."

I have a lot of empathy for Bridges. Being summarily dropped from the elite training squad as a teenager after a fairly horrible accident - that's brutal. Discovering that people who said they called about you binned you off as soon as you were no longer a medal prospect would be emotionally awful. Especially when so much of Emily's childhood and adolescence has been about enduring extreme training demands and pain to gain external validation for being "the best" and in expectation of Olympic glory.

Similarly for Emily's accounts of being bullied by other team mates for being gay (pre-transition) and of feeling unable to come out as transgender for fear of being ostracized.

But none of that empathy means that Emily should be competing in women's races. Having empathy doesn't mean setting aside understanding of material reality and of the harm that would be caused to female athletes specifically and women's sport generally by such an action.

It's not the case that understanding how Emily feels about the situation means that they should automatically get what they want.

Clymene · 08/06/2022 09:33

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 08/06/2022 08:41

It's so sinister. It's worldwide.

Do you recall those bizarre few days when stories and wiki entries were edited to try and convince us that Lia Thomas is only 5ft 8?

I've just come across a webpage which says that Emily is 5'5". If that's true, then Emily's mum must be about 3 foot tall.

Emily Bridges in the news again
Helleofabore · 08/06/2022 09:35

3 ft in heels you mean.

Clymene · 08/06/2022 09:40

Helleofabore · 08/06/2022 09:35

3 ft in heels you mean.

GrinGrinGrin

BatDuck · 08/06/2022 09:42

Clymene · 08/06/2022 09:33

I've just come across a webpage which says that Emily is 5'5". If that's true, then Emily's mum must be about 3 foot tall.

I’m pretty sure that’s not Emily’s mum. Emily’s mum Twitter bio states she used to do long jump. That suggests she’s tall too.

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MagpiePi · 08/06/2022 09:49

Motorina · 07/06/2022 20:19

@ChateauMargaux that's an amazing image! I 100% applaud transwomen being accepted as by their fellow male competitors and teammates. In just the same way, I am delighted that male footballers are feeling increasingly able to say they're gay. Both should be a non-issue. Should have been so for decades, in fact. That's all good.

I can see that transwomen athletes have to make a difficult decision about whether to simply transition socially and in terms of dress, or to take hormones for a 'better' transition but with the inevitable impact on performance. In the same way, female athletes have to make difficult decisions about motherhood, with its inevitable impact on training and their career. And even amateur athletes like me have to decide if we're going to go to that party, or get an early night for the next day's training run.

Those decisions are a deeply personal balancing of priorities, and I wouldn't second guess an athlete either way. But, whatever decisions are made, male athletes should not be competing in womens events.

This!

Everyone has the right to compete but nobody has the right to cheat.

Dreikanter · 08/06/2022 09:54

Clymene · 08/06/2022 09:33

I've just come across a webpage which says that Emily is 5'5". If that's true, then Emily's mum must be about 3 foot tall.

Not Emily’s mother.

www.southwalesargus.co.uk/news/business/16145902.top-gwent-cyclist-zach-bridges-compete-tour-de-gwent-charity-event/

MagpiePi · 08/06/2022 09:55

tabbycatstripy · 07/06/2022 20:39

One telling part of the interview was where EB said it was their dream to represent their country at the highest (international) level, and that dream was ripped away when BC changed the rules. Obviously, actually, that dream was taken away when EB was dropped from the male programme. It happens to every athlete who isn’t the best of the best. It doesn’t mean they get to race with the best of the best in the wrong category.

Aww, poor EB having their dreams crushed by nasty rule makers.

Lots of us have dreams of competing at the highest level. I could be the women's 100m Olympic champion but they won't change the rules and give me a 5 second head start. Meanies...

Badger1970 · 08/06/2022 09:58

I watched the interview, and felt that they did themselves no favours whatsoever. In fact, I'd go as far to say that they were bordering on a level of smug entitlement. I'm so glad that women are starting to fight back on this.

I have every sympathy for someone struggling with their gender. But that doesn't mean that they're entitled to push women aside for their own ambitions.

Clymene · 08/06/2022 10:02

Apologies! I did think she was very small to have given birth to such a tall child!

Clymene · 08/06/2022 10:08

I can't see Emily mum's Twitter bio as she's blocked me, even though I've never interacted with her in my life.

This article is good for comparing Bridges times against our women's Olympic cycling team.

www.spiked-online.com/2022/03/29/trans-ideology-will-destroy-womens-sport/

For those who don't know, bridges didn't compete in the Omnium. It was rumoured that women refused to race against him but the official story was a last minute change of rules.

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