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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Emily Bridges in the news again

279 replies

BatDuck · 07/06/2022 18:44

There’s a lot to unpack here. The violent abuse Bridges received is utter disgraceful and rightly it should be acknowledged that Bridges should be able to live Bridges life without fear or harassment.

The tenor of the debate is not helped by these woe is me articles that have been dripping into the media since the New Year. Quite frankly, it feels like propaganda as there’s no push back on the issue at play: males do not belong in female sport.

www.itv.com/news/2022-06-07/emily-bridges-had-physical-threats-after-pms-trans-participation-comments

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Blackandwhitehorse · 07/06/2022 22:15

How an earth was this the headline item on the 10pm news??

KatVonlabonk · 07/06/2022 22:15

Emily's world was cycling. Emily's dream was the Olympics.

Emily struggles with social inactions and relationships.
In a total coincidence Emily came out as having gender dysphoria after losing their place in the men's Olympic squad.

Emily needs to rebuild their life without taking a women's place in cycling.

Threats are not acceptable, ever. That goes for Emily and it goes for every gc woman on Twitter, who've almost all had shocking abuse.

Emily, the answer is No Thank You. Cycle against your own sex.

titchy · 07/06/2022 22:17

In a debate about female sports, a middle class white male has not only inserted themself into the middle of the stage, they are claiming THEY'RE the victim.

You couldn't make it up. ITV has become Brass Eye.

Feelingoktoday · 07/06/2022 22:18

First item on the 10pm news. Disgraceful. We are slowly being indoctrinated to accept this.

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 07/06/2022 22:21

Blackandwhitehorse · 07/06/2022 22:15

How an earth was this the headline item on the 10pm news??

It's difficult to think why a headline would be about a sacred caste rather than the woes of Big Dog and the plausibly pyrrhic victory. 🤔

I hope that the news programme had the integrity to interview Emily's former team mates both in the Univ. team and the BC Olympic Hopeful Squad (so to speak) and ask them if they ever behaved in an intimidating way or signalled that Emily wasn't welcome to race competitively with them.

I saw only team spirit in the photograph posted upthread.

OvaHere · 07/06/2022 22:23

I can't believe ITN have the nerve to call themselves journalists whilst sitting there not challenging the claim of being female.

FFS this is flat earth territory and they must know it.

Hilarious that Boris Johnson got brought into it because Bridges might just be the one person who can tell bigger barefaced lies to the nation than BJ.

Like BJ it seems like Bridges will get away with it. I wonder what it is they have in common with each other?

KatVonlabonk · 07/06/2022 22:27

Listened to as much as I could bear, they didn't come across as particularly persuasive or sympathetic.

Shocking that this is headline story, did they cover the alternative angle on defending women's sports?

Rainbowshit · 07/06/2022 22:42

I am crying with fury over this. How can this be allowed?!

How can the officials in these sports look young girls in the eye and tell them to be kind while males take what rightfully belongs to them?!

catandcoffee · 07/06/2022 22:43

My husband was watching this. He paused it and called me in to see 'Emily ' he was very confused. He thought the sound had gone weird on the TV.. 😂

Fenlandia · 07/06/2022 22:57

I know being a woman doesn't necessarily mean you have empathy for other women, I've met enough shits in my life, but why does every prominent TRA have so very little idea or care that these "fellow female" people have needs and thoughts of their own?

Melroses · 07/06/2022 23:02

I can't see how it could possibly be viable.

You do competitive (and not so competitive) sport to do the best you can, improve and get better, millisecond by millisecond.

If you hobble yourself down to some arbitrary point where you think your performance is at a level that is acceptable to be in another class, then try and get better and better again....

Mollyollydolly · 07/06/2022 23:02

Apart from the obvious unfairness, this is one of the reasons people don't trust MSM anymore. This is ITV news gaslighting the nation. Why should I believe anything they report when they expect me to believe sex isn't real and important in some areas like sport? Nobody believes this. It makes them look like ideologues not journalists.

BootsAndRoots · 07/06/2022 23:05

Blackandwhitehorse · 07/06/2022 22:15

How an earth was this the headline item on the 10pm news??

Because it's not related to trans rights at all, it is really about saying that Boris is responsible and hoping that he'd resign over that, when all the other attempts have failed.

If Boris was not involved then this would be low down in the headlines.

Honesty is in short supply in both our media and our politicians.

Plasmodesmata · 07/06/2022 23:07

We are slowly being indoctrinated to accept this.

Do you think it's working?

I think I need more indoctrination.

OvaHere · 07/06/2022 23:12

BootsAndRoots · 07/06/2022 23:05

Because it's not related to trans rights at all, it is really about saying that Boris is responsible and hoping that he'd resign over that, when all the other attempts have failed.

If Boris was not involved then this would be low down in the headlines.

Honesty is in short supply in both our media and our politicians.

ITV probably should have picked someone who isn't a more cavalier liar than Boris then!

puffyisgood · 07/06/2022 23:15

"I'm not near the top female athletes when it comes to explosive power".

I can't begin to guess what exactly is meant by "explosive power" here but I suppose the only sensible interpretation is that it's a tacit admission is that her overall competitiveness has improved post transition, but she's going to argue that the particular sub-facets of cycling where her relative performance has improved the most are, y'know, the girlie ones (e.g. perhaps she's got really good at say raffia work, enabling her to fashion an unusually lightweight drinks bottle carrier for her bike) and not at all the big brutish manly ones. maybe her plan is to follow the swimmer's example & attribute the improvement down to just being happier?

Dreikanter · 07/06/2022 23:31

Explosive power is when an athlete needs to go flat out in a sprint.

"I'm not near the top female athletes when it comes to explosive power".

A different question might be was Emily anywhere near the best female athletes for explosive power pre-transition?

Fenlandia · 07/06/2022 23:33

Plasmodesmata · 07/06/2022 23:07

We are slowly being indoctrinated to accept this.

Do you think it's working?

I think I need more indoctrination.

Yes it really does feel like we're being softened up to accepting this. I'm afraid I'll need a long time in the gulag before I ever accept the end of women's sports (and the rest of it).

FemaleAndLearning · 07/06/2022 23:33

"I'm part of research that is going on, we've observed the changes over a year of hormone therapy and I feel, and the leaders of my study feel, that any advantage that I had pre-transition is gone."
Feel? This is a scientific study either the advantage has gone or it has not gone, feelings have nothing to do with it. Also Bridges didn't mention that the lead scientist is also a transwoman.

The photoshopping really is something in those Diva photos.

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 07/06/2022 23:37

Fenlandia · 07/06/2022 23:33

Yes it really does feel like we're being softened up to accepting this. I'm afraid I'll need a long time in the gulag before I ever accept the end of women's sports (and the rest of it).

I'm definitely going to end up like Mrs Garvy from Korbluth's Marching Morons by the time that this disinformation campaign and my re-education in the gulag is over.

Cailleach1 · 07/06/2022 23:40

I had typed up a long post about how perverse and self interested lobbies seem to have taken over state agencies, international bodies and corrupted legislators all to the detriment of women and girls. I won't post it as it pulls no punches and would probably be deleted. I feel quite cross at all this utter bolleaux. I don't know if those pushing, supporting or refusing to call it out are stupid or nasty. Maybe afraid also as there is a malevolent reaction to anyone who won't pretend.

I think women who want their daughters to have fair competition are going to have to re-start sports for girls. Away from the grip of those who would happily stomp on their rights to fairness.

Liveliferun · 07/06/2022 23:52

Bridges recent win - what a photo

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SlightlyGeordieJohn · 07/06/2022 23:53

SpinstileTurnstile · 07/06/2022 19:13

I don't think the argument that 'going through male puberty confers no advantage in cycling because there is a lack of data' is really going to fly, tbh.

Cycling has conducted a very in-depth trial of the differences between those who have been through a male or a female puberty for a great many years now. The trial results are available to view here.

miri1985 · 08/06/2022 03:22

I am not someone who follows the sport of cycling, so apologies if I'm wrong but from what I've read isn't British Cycling a fairly mercenary organisation like if you don't perform you're out fairly sharpish? If Emily has no advantage and less explosive power than the top female atheletes then why compete? Like if you can't win and are just going to get progressively weaker as hormone therapy goes on, why not just do it for fun? No one has a problem with Emiliy Bridges cycling a bike for fun. Will it be like Lia Thomas, win one and throw the rest just so no one can claim you have an advantage since you're beatable

I'm glad Katie Archibald spoke out and other female cyclists like Laura Kenny retweeted, it must feel like such an attack on womens sports especially for those who have fought tooth and nail to get to the top.

"I'm part of research that is going on, we've observed the changes over a year of hormone therapy and I feel, and the leaders of my study feel, that any advantage that I had pre-transition is gone."

I would have thought it was unethical for the subject of a study based on perfomance to know how they were doing. Surely if you wanted to get the results you wanted out of this study you would just go and throw the tests

DinoSphere · 08/06/2022 05:12

Bridges is being disingenuous (again) in mentioning explosive power. Explosive power matters for sprinters not endurance athletes like Bridges. Bridges would be nowhere against male sprinters either.

What matters more is Bridges’ lasting male advantages against endurance athletes Laura Kenny and Katie Archibald, Neah Evans and others (who also don’t have the explosive power of the top female sprinters.)

Bridges knows this perfectly well so mentioning seems like a manipulative attempt to throw people off the scent.

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