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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Companies changing their logo background

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OneOfThoseOldFashionedWomen · 06/06/2022 09:44

If a company has the new pride flag as their background do you think that it means they subscribe to the erasure of women?

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KittenKong · 07/06/2022 16:40

Almost as grrrrr as Ozfams new window posters - on sreipws

This shop
Is for
he
she
they
them
Cuthbert
dribble
grub…

kust as toy thought they may have decided to clean up their act and keep out of politics (and sad scandals)

Artichokeleaves · 07/06/2022 16:49

Ukraine has been appropriated into LGBT+ now???

I swear there are people who think 'oooh they're getting attention, appropriate them! Assimilate them!' And cannot bear anyone or anything be centred unless they're 'included' in it.

I'm gay. I fought for section 28. I see the gay/pride/whatevertheheckisfashionablethisweek flag and cringe. It's nowt to do with me. It largely now represents very, very, very large egos.

FemaleAndLearning · 07/06/2022 18:27

MangyInseam · 07/06/2022 13:16

OMG, that flag!

There is something that is so, so weird about the proliferation of flags. I can't quite put my finger on it, but it reminds me of something.

My workplace now has a large string of all the flags in the window, including the intersex flag. I am so tempted to ell my boss that intersex people don't want to be part of the +++ groups.

You should email HR 9n Stonewall website it says they are leaving intersex alone after being asked. See glossary www.stonewall.org.uk/help-advice/faqs-and-glossary/list-lgbtq-terms

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SoManyQuestionsHere · 07/06/2022 19:07

Nah, it only means that it takes a pro graphics designer a few seconds to re-colour a graphic in a rainbow gradient, that consumers like corporate virtue signalling (shown by research), and that this is far easier and cost-effective to achieve than any more meaningful diversity initiative. Zoomers also like it, and we all want to hire them as they graduate.

It's good value for money, it's as simple as that!

Yes, I'm that cynical. I'm a management consultant. It's, literally, part of my job to come up with such "quick wins".

KittyLeMew · 07/06/2022 20:16

I read this this week and it’s fantastic

dennisnoelkavanagh.substack.com/p/proud-of-bloody-what?s=r

CrossPurposes · 07/06/2022 21:25

KittyLeMew · 07/06/2022 20:16

I read this this week and it’s fantastic

dennisnoelkavanagh.substack.com/p/proud-of-bloody-what?s=r

That is something else. Thanks for the link!

TheBiologyStupid · 07/06/2022 21:37

KittyLeMew · 07/06/2022 20:16

I read this this week and it’s fantastic

dennisnoelkavanagh.substack.com/p/proud-of-bloody-what?s=r

It is indeed - thanks, Kitty!

Artichokeleaves · 07/06/2022 21:58

KittyLeMew · 07/06/2022 20:16

I read this this week and it’s fantastic

dennisnoelkavanagh.substack.com/p/proud-of-bloody-what?s=r

All of that. Thank you for the link.

FemaleAndLearning · 07/06/2022 22:40

Thanks for the link. The real rainbow flag.

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roarfeckingroarr · 07/06/2022 22:42

I work for a huge company, very well known. They changed their logo today. It happened because someone in internal comms said "shit loads of companies are doing it, we shouldn't miss a trick". There was zero thought.

MangyInseam · 08/06/2022 03:57

FemaleAndLearning · 07/06/2022 18:27

You should email HR 9n Stonewall website it says they are leaving intersex alone after being asked. See glossary www.stonewall.org.uk/help-advice/faqs-and-glossary/list-lgbtq-terms

I'm not in the UK, here in Canada and the US, intersex is still always included. No one seems to have any awareness that there is any controversy. In a lot of places here the main activists organizations are the different Pride groups, and they are actually more far gone than SW for the most part.

KittenKong · 08/06/2022 08:44

I tend to swerve those with the new and the new new version and give those with the original a little benefit of the doubt.

Oxfam is hacking me off though with their silly poster on the window (and I have to pass it several times a day) So the pronounies are welcome (remember that when you pop on to buy a second hand fancy frock) but no mention of women and kids abused by staff and the banning of that game that had ‘women’ listed because they were all women.

They can get stuffed.

Artichokeleaves · 08/06/2022 09:18

roarfeckingroarr · 07/06/2022 22:42

I work for a huge company, very well known. They changed their logo today. It happened because someone in internal comms said "shit loads of companies are doing it, we shouldn't miss a trick". There was zero thought.

Yup.

It's this year's 'we should all do the Gangnam style dance on a video cos cool/everyonez doin it' .

And it will move on to being a deeply embarrassing thing in 3....2....1......

Except this isn't just deeply embarrassing, it's holding up a political flag of affiliation to deeply deeply troubling and extremist beliefs that involve confirming alliance in prejudice against homosexuals and women for a start.

KittenKong · 08/06/2022 11:00

I have just had an enthusiastic saleswomen trying to get me to buy more stuff - ooooooh and if we place an order during Pride Month (month??) we will be put into a draw to win a package of Pride themed books for the kiddies!!!!!

No thanks lady. I’ve seen the books.

For the love of god what happened to ‘Spot finds a fire hydrant’???

TheBiologyStupid · 08/06/2022 11:16

Spot finds a fire hydrant
😂

MangyInseam · 08/06/2022 14:14

KittenKong · 08/06/2022 11:00

I have just had an enthusiastic saleswomen trying to get me to buy more stuff - ooooooh and if we place an order during Pride Month (month??) we will be put into a draw to win a package of Pride themed books for the kiddies!!!!!

No thanks lady. I’ve seen the books.

For the love of god what happened to ‘Spot finds a fire hydrant’???

Kids books are really shit these days. If it isn't Pride it's something else, they are all horribly didactic and have only the thinnest of stories to cover that, if they have any story at all.

I work in libraries and it's interesting, one that I work in keeps it's collection very new as a matter of policy, and if you go in there looking for a storybook it is slim picking. Lots of books but not many you would want to read. The other is happy to keep older books that are in good shape and there are tons of good stories.

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 08/06/2022 16:21

I think it would be very difficult to cultivate a love of reading in any child, solely using recently published children's books. In my opinion, many of them can't realistically compete for children's attention in a world of iPads, gaming consoles and so on. I wouldn't have read them myself as a child, and I read everything.

A fair few have the same checklist feel that you'd experience reading GCSE French coursework on My Hobbies or What I Do On My Holidays: teachers always tell pupils (truthfully!) that in order to access the publishing contracts higher grade bands, you must include at least three tenses, show you can conjugate irregular verbs, use a range of adjectives, and use a range of pronouns (as in, first person plural and singular, third person singular, and using subject, object and reflexive pronouns appropriately). It gets the job done, of demonstrating that you can write about a topic using grammatically correct French, but it's still writing to a checklist. It doesn't produce anything you'd want to read for pleasure!

That's fine from 15 year olds writing essays for a GCSE language course for a marker who is paid to endure reading the musings of dozens of teenagers. Children aren't paid to read the multiple versions of 200 Pages of Regurgitating the Information From A EDI Course I Was On to Prove I Was Listening: a Novel.

SirSamVimesCityWatch · 08/06/2022 16:54

Children aren't paid to read the multiple versions of 200 Pages of Regurgitating the Information From A EDI Course I Was On to Prove I Was Listening: a Novel Grin Grin Grin

I do think you're right on this. My 8yo dd's favourite books are The Secret Seven. She loved the younger-targeted Enid Blyton as well, Wishing Chair and Faraway Tree, and the Five Find Outers. Is pretty into Harry Potter, but I read that to her and I won't let her go past book 3 yet. Also liked The Hobbit and the first Narnia book. So far nothing published very recently has held her attention.

KittenKong · 08/06/2022 17:14

Natural History museum - flying pride flag
Science museum - pride remix

I used to take DS to both a lot when he was little. I never remember seeing either back then.

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 08/06/2022 17:23

If you want chapter and verse on children's literature published post 2012 which deserved to be published, just say the word. Grin Ranting about books should be my Mastermind subject.

Be warned, I make no claims with regards to the philosophy of any authors on the list, because they're there for their books. I couldn't bear to check!

KittenKong · 08/06/2022 17:26

Imperial - no flagpoles and no sign of flags
Royal college of music - own flag
goethe institute - pride original
Royal Albert Hall - union flag (but they have flown pride the past few years)

I assume UCL/Senate house will be flying the remix version (or even the newer version).

can you imagine any other group/minority having so much attention? For a whole month (and the rest). Strange days indeed.

WonderWine · 08/06/2022 17:42

I do wonder if the tide of public opinion is now turning on this and it will actually begin to be detrimental to businesses to do this.

I'm hearing a lot 'sick of this stuff being rammed down our throats' type comments, even from people who are otherwise very supportive of the LGB community.
My brother, who was at the forefront of campaigning for gay rights in the 80s absolutely HATES it all and says all his gay community friends just roll their eyes etc.

I do think it's becoming counterproductive now. Our local police force posted some Pride stuff and all the comments were negative. Not nasty, but just of the 'haven't you better things to spend OUR money on than rainbow lanyards and laces?' type.

KittenKong · 08/06/2022 17:45

That wasn’t Essex police was it - with the ether sinister comment about monitoring comments for hate?

A couple of years ago my sister excitedly sent me a photo of her rainbow lanyard at work. More recently she muttered ‘for the love of god’ when she saw one, so I’m guessing ‘The communiteeeee’ isn’t feeling the love these days.

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 08/06/2022 18:42

Switching to a totally different context, I once read that in Hollywood, actors' agents tried to tred the line between keeping the public aware of a star, and over-exposure.

Too much coverage in the relevant sections, and too many films risks tipping a star into over-exposure. And then the public become sick of seeing his face on everything, and stop saying, "ooh, that new film has got Gen-Eric Actor in, I love him. Let's go see it!". Perhaps they switch their interest to the new up-and-coming Ant Other-Star.

Metabigot · 08/06/2022 18:56

I have always loved rainbows 🌈 even before all this trans rubbish and wear rainbows jewellery/clothing etc as much as I like despite some GC acquaintances criticising this due to the appropriation of the rainbow by pride/trans rights.

Well fuck that, rainbows don't belong to anyone and existed long before humans of any category.

Means there's more rainbow clothing/jewellery/stuff to choose from.

Long live the rainbow!

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