So disgusted tonight

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Owen Jones and Pink News tweeted about the two Helens, Joyce and Staniland and their YouTube chat .. Jones taking what they said completely out of context it's resulted in some of the most vile abuse aimed at Helen Joyce in particular on twitter tonight. So many death threats.

I wish there was something we could do, it's so utterly vile, it's time they were held to account for their lies. It's really upsetting.

Owen Jones isn't fit to lace Helen's shoes, I cant believe The Guardian still employ him. I've seen threats to murder, throw napalm in their faces from Joss Prior and many many more. It's disgusting and all down to Owen.

How can this stand up to any level of journalistic ethics or integrity.

It's time we did something, some kind of collective action.

Oh, is it Owen?

Don't we all, LOJ, don't we all.

He's telling them the dictionary definition of genocide?

He's actually defending himself using dictionary definitions.

To TRAs.

Getting aggressive now

I'll be interested to see how he's going to deal with this.

Lol: twitter.com/robynthelesbian/status/1533934111622057984

Why doesn't he just block, like he usually does with those who disagree with him?

Typical fundamentalist behaviour. Definitions are flexible as and when they require them to be flexible. Explanations of what you are actually saying are literal violence. No performative ally-ship will be enough if it is accompanied by anything other than 100% affirmation.

OJ: ‘I think if genocide means the criminalisation of homosexuality in England and Wales before 1967 and, say, what happened in Rwanda, then it’s not a term that can be usefully applied in a way that’s clear and specific.’

He is so nearly there.

TRA: ‘And now you're using it to tell trans people that they're wrong, and that calling for their systematic elimination is not genocide. And rather than say sorry, take a moment to re-evaluate, maybe learn and grow, you're doubling down. This is incredibly disappointing.’

This is very funny.

Owen doesn't realise how much many of these people want attention of any kind.

I don’t like LOJ but he’s right: he has been absolutely staunch in his (misguided) defence of trans rights. That people are coming for him anyway is a marker of the extremism within the ideology he has helped to promote. The revolution must be purged. 🙄

I don’t like LOJ but he’s right: he has been absolutely staunch in his (misguided) defence of trans rights. That people are coming for him anyway is a marker of the extremism within the ideology he has helped to promote.

Exactly.

I have no idea what OJ will do now.

He may have to lock down his tweets? Come off Twitter?

I'm hoping for a brief flounce at least.

What with this and the revelation that in 2004 the Guardian commissioned research into sex change surgery and published an article saying it wasn't effective, it's been a great start to the day.

I don’t think he’ll do either. Again, I don’t like OJ but he isn’t timid in that way. He’ll just say “oh”, I reckon.

He isn't timid, but he does have a massive ego.

Ooh really? Crikey.

Yes, planet-sized.

Hm, what happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object?

Robyn the soi-disant lesbian will acknowledge the hyperbole and recant, and Owen will apologise for white-knighting for trans people on his cis horse.

Is OJ doing some mountaineering, perchance?

He's "backing off".

Oh look it's all our fault he got piled on by TRAs

Probably best that he does back off. They won’t stop. It’s a blood sport.

Genocide isn't just murder

And I guess murder isn't just killing people, while we're at it.

www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/genocide.shtml

Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide

Article II

In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

Killing members of the group;

Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;

Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;

Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;

Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.