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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Janice Turner "Civil servants are being fed gender drivel"

41 replies

Igneococcus · 03/06/2022 21:53

About training provided by Agender to civil servants. it's quite mindblowing bollocky nonsense:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/9484c55a-e372-11ec-baab-53d14c642149?shareToken=afe906c71e91a77902ba9c6e98a574db

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Redshoeblueshoe · 03/06/2022 22:33

Thanks for posting.

Melroses · 03/06/2022 22:35

Just read that.

Can't believe this sort of 'training' is still going on.

Clangyleg · 03/06/2022 22:47

So glad that women are getting this rubbish out there. Is this training mandatory? Shame on the unions too.

PearPickingPorky · 03/06/2022 22:48

Glad someone recorded that.

This might be useful for anyone in the civil service who needs to bring a discrimination claim.

nepeta · 03/06/2022 23:07

From the article:
Emma warns that defining a woman as an “adult human female” is a transphobic dogwhistle, equivalent to antisemitism. She claims that sex-based rights, which feminists speak of defending, don’t even exist. “We have equal rights!” she cries.

I am going to embroider "a transphobic dogwhistle" on a t-shirt or two. The back will say "= an adult human female."

Or perhaps the whole thing on the front?

"An adult human female=a transphobic dogwhistle"

Or "And adult human female=woman a transphobic dogwhistle.

The whole thing is hair-raisingly hilarious! Especially that it cannot be recorded, because they didn't want this to come out.

Also, I want a set of new brains in jars, to keep in the pantry. When I wake up in the morning and feel particularly masculine (perhaps scratch my groin? burp?) I will insert a blue brain from a jar. When I wake up in the morning and feel particularly feminine (cry over my bedhair? giggle while dancing to the bathroom while tilting my head?) I will insert a pink brain from a jar.

Rightsraptor · 03/06/2022 23:11

It seems a bit strange that Emma is 'intersex', aka has a DSD. Not usual for someone with one of those medical conditions to go round lecturing people about an ideology.

Wor · 03/06/2022 23:16

Oh good. My taxes are being used to fund brainwashing of government employees.

How about less brainwashing and less taxes? How about civil servants get trained on how to do their job, and only that?

DdraigGoch · 04/06/2022 00:28

Wor · 03/06/2022 23:16

Oh good. My taxes are being used to fund brainwashing of government employees.

How about less brainwashing and less taxes? How about civil servants get trained on how to do their job, and only that?

Where the hell is the Minister for Government Efficiency?

Datun · 04/06/2022 00:54

It's just so much nonsense. As Janice says, complete drivel.

Emma states that while sex is randomly “assigned at birth” there is a “biological component to gender identity, like height or ethnicity: it is inherent, innate”.

  • *No, no it bloody isn't. I thought all these things had to be evidence based?

The thing is, it's not enough to expose this for the claptrap it is, it needs to be dealt with. It's dangerous.

nepeta · 04/06/2022 03:12

Datun · 04/06/2022 00:54

It's just so much nonsense. As Janice says, complete drivel.

Emma states that while sex is randomly “assigned at birth” there is a “biological component to gender identity, like height or ethnicity: it is inherent, innate”.

  • *No, no it bloody isn't. I thought all these things had to be evidence based?

The thing is, it's not enough to expose this for the claptrap it is, it needs to be dealt with. It's dangerous.

When debate is not allowed, none of these pseudo-science creations can be debunked in a way which would become public information. The information exists, but only those who can read research studies really get it.

Clymene · 04/06/2022 04:21

I'm grateful as ever to Janice for shining a light.

People that work in central government are given a D&I questionnaire that asks about their beliefs in gender woo. If they indicate that they are not adherents, they are sent for further training. So they lie because they don't want to get their cards marked.

It is not a place where women can speak up.

Igneococcus · 04/06/2022 07:09

There is also an article about the training:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/acedcca8-e369-11ec-8bdd-c253e043f5f0?shareToken=b04bb3168be7299f6043ad935f40aa5f

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ResisterRex · 04/06/2022 07:09

There's also this:

Official video says you can’t define ‘woman’

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/acedcca8-e369-11ec-8bdd-c253e043f5f0?shareToken=5ed796b303b045a372efa3350ccc67f3

An employee says:

“It is definitely against the civil service code, which says we should be dispassionately following the law and government directives without any concern for our own opinions. It’s the corruption of what should be an impartial body.”

OvaHere · 04/06/2022 07:23

Is this Global Butterflies who are doing the training? They are as bad if not worse than Stonewall but fly under the radar much more successfully. If you look at their client list they 'train' some very big and influential companies.

globalbutterflies.com/emma-cusdin/

OvaHere · 04/06/2022 07:27

Intersting. GB seem to have removed their client list from their website. Their used to be a list on there that I think included places like the Ministry of Defence etc.

ResisterRex · 04/06/2022 07:39

I think a lot of these training things from other outfits were brought in when SW were being exposed more. It's the same stuff under a different badge. It's all wrong, it all breaches public sector impartiality, none of it follows the law but the agenda of lobby groups.

Somanysocks · 04/06/2022 08:50

Drivel is a marvellous word and certainly underused at this point in history.

Flammkuchen · 04/06/2022 09:36

Excellent article. In my experience in the public sector, we were subjected to this reeducation training. We had a transwoman explain to us how they had advised the ONS on the census, how any claims of the importance of biology were a nonsense, there was no advantage in sport, and all on International Women’s Day.

And we all, intelligent people, had to smile and nod or risk getting outed as a heretic by the Red Guards of the LGBTQ+ network.

Senior management wanted to move away from Stonewall - as they know it’s nonsense - but the internal staff networks scream ‘Transphobia!’, ‘Heretic!’. And so Senior Management give in and add their pronouns, to show that they are ‘kind’.

Babdoc · 04/06/2022 09:40

I always take great comfort from the comments under these articles, which almost universally condemn the unscientific drivel being promulgated. The occasional troll is always speedily demolished.

Zeugma · 04/06/2022 10:17

Interesting further details about a relevant event with the same host

FrancescaContini · 04/06/2022 10:21

Thank you, Janice 💐

When people are sitting in listening to this drivel at work, in a workshop etc context, do any of them just stand up and walk out and go back to their work? I’d love to hear from anyone who’s done this!

nauticant · 04/06/2022 10:32

It seems a bit strange that Emma is 'intersex', aka has a DSD.

We're at a point where some time ago "intersex" stopped being a condition grounded in physical reality and became an identity umbrella which people can identify as being under.

nauticant · 04/06/2022 10:35

As if by magic, the link provided by Zeugma has this:

Dunn explained to us what ‘intersex’ meant but did not refer to the myriad health conditions by the more correct terminology Disorders of Sexual Development (DSD).
Being intersex may mean the person might experience gender dysphoria. ‘If you’re literally not male or female, but you’ve been assigned to a male or female category at birth, you might not feel like that is a really good fit for you,’ said Dunn.
Which just isn’t true.
People with ‘intersex’ conditions are either male or female, just like the rest of us.

BernardBlackMissesLangCleg · 04/06/2022 10:37

A:gender did not respond to a request for comment.

I’ll bet they fucking didn’t

great articles. I hope these woo pedlars find themselves out in the cold

Imnobody4 · 04/06/2022 10:38

I find all this truly terrifying, it really is a shadow state, every single public institution is pursuing an ideological position in opposition to democratic control. Anyone delivering training to public institutions should be democratically scrutinised.
www.diversityandinclusionawards.com/award-nominee/emma-dunn

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