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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Times article suggested Penny Mordaunt as likely replacement for Johnson

94 replies

teawamutu · 01/06/2022 10:09

Penny 'TWAW' Mordaunt.

Please god, no...

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FOJN · 01/06/2022 10:10

I'm not a CP member, do they vote for the party leader?

NancyDrawed · 01/06/2022 10:11

That would be a disaster for women's rights.

Boris Johson is not a good leader (to put it mildly) but at the very least he knows what a woman is

NancyDrawed · 01/06/2022 10:13

Kemi Badenoch would be a far better choice as far as I'm concerned, but I doubt she is in the running.

He's definitely going this time, then?

FOJN · 01/06/2022 10:15

commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn01366/

Just answered my own question. If PM makes the shortlist against a "GC" candidate I will be joining the Conservative Party to vote against her.

ResisterRex · 01/06/2022 10:28

I didn't think you can join the Conservative Party and vote. You have to be a member for a certain period of time beforehand to be able to vote. The link above has a link to the below and it says three months' membership is needed.

The Tories are immune from a Momentum-style fuckup. Or much less prone to one:

researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN01366/SN01366.pdf#page25

"Only those Party Members and Scottish Party Members who were members of the Party from the time of the call for nominations by the Chairman of the 1922 Committee for the election of the Leader and have been members for at least three months immediately prior to the close of the ballot for the election of the Leader shall be entitled to vote"

FOJN · 01/06/2022 10:31

I didn't think you can join the Conservative Party and vote.

Yes, you're right and someone actually told me that at the weekend!

ResisterRex · 01/06/2022 10:40

You can - if the vote is held 3mo from now! The Tories are - in my view - better thinkers and strategisers. The idea that people could join en masse and change their party is unthinkable to them. Labour OTOH are pretty short-sighted as the Momentum business showed.

I found this, which is the kind of thinking I doubt most/many Tories would be on board with:

Abolish our unelected Lords, says minister.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/b8bca33e-bb0f-11eb-8a71-bc144e6a30f1?shareToken=5da1362dd7986e04e1449c9daa541b699_

"Mordaunt and her co-author, Chris Lewis, describe the Commons and Lords as bastions of “anachronism” and “pomposity” and call for wholesale reform of the procedures that make them remote from voters. “What kind of democracy allows the majority of its parliamentarians to be appointed rather than elected?” they ask, pointing out that 14 per cent of the seats are reserved for men.

“As hereditary titles still only pass down the male line, many seats in the upper chamber can only have male bottoms filling them,” the authors write."

But also there's this:

"Mordaunt also demands more ladies’ lavatories in parliament, complaining that there are “queues every time”.

At present, when MPs vote, they are counted by physically walking through a division lobby, a tradition that means each vote takes about 20 minutes."

I'd have been pro the abolition or huge reduction in the Lords too. But frankly I think we'd be in a much worse state as regards women's rights and (even if very slowly) getting somewhere with questioning gender ideology, single sex provision, RSE materials and the medicalisation and sterilisation of gay children without them.

I wonder what TWAW - from the despatch box - Mordaunt now thinks about the toilets? Presumably they can all be unisex and she'd be fine with it?

Rightsraptor · 01/06/2022 10:55

Penny 'chocolate teapot' Mordaunt? Please God - no.

What's she done of late (ever?) to merit inclusion in the list of possibles for the greatest office of state? Tell me, someone. One thing. Just one.

mrshoho · 01/06/2022 11:02

Hope to almighty this is not going to happen. Why her? There has to be a better candidate somewhere in that lot?

MagnoliaTaint · 01/06/2022 11:03

Oh my word, please no. I thought Truss was in the running? She seems more likely.

dinosauriam · 01/06/2022 15:27

If the Tories understand that the majority do not agree with TWAW, they are not going to be stupid enough to elect Mordaunt. I don't think Boris is going anywhere anyway.

risefromyourgrave · 01/06/2022 17:15

I have written a couple of letters to Penny Mordaunt in the past year and have had replies that aren’t obviously TWAW. They’ve not been obviously GC either, but I think she might be thinking more critically of late. 🤞

ChristinaXYZ · 01/06/2022 22:15

Boris might be going ... is a thing that's been happening for ages. If you want to vote in the Conservative Party Leadership elections then you've a good chance of doing so if you join now. I keep thinking about it. I hate the idea of feeling like I've committed to one party though, especially if I had to keep membership up for a few years (2-3) before a vote came.

My preferred candidate would be Kemi Badenoch - I think she would be the toughest defender of the concept of women and of child safe-guarding. KB would probably improve our lot. Followed by Liz Truss who might improve our lot.

Penny Mordant would be disaster as bad as the current Labour Party for women's rights. Horrendous. There are several Tory blokes who would be better (or less dangerous) - Sajid Javid for one.

The trouble with the Tory blokes is that quite a few of them 'get' the issues but then don't actually do anything to legislate in women's favour. At least they probably would not let self-id in. The status quo would bumble along but get no worse. I think Mordant would make things much, much worse.

KimikosNightmare · 02/06/2022 05:06

Sajid Javid seems to me the most likely now that Rishi Sunak is under a bit of a cloud.

MadameFantabulosa · 02/06/2022 05:11

I was discussing this with a couple of MPs last week, and both mentioned Penny Mordaunt. They need someone to unite the party.

aweegc · 02/06/2022 05:17

Strategically, knowing what a woman is is only an advantage if you're needing to gain points against Labour (or, theoretically, another TWAW party).

In the leadership election it's not going to be that much of an issue, because the party aren't that bothered by it.

It may be useful, if not joining the party to vote, to write to Tory MPs making sure they know it IS an issue and a reason for voting Tory.

jgw1 · 02/06/2022 05:52

NancyDrawed · 01/06/2022 10:11

That would be a disaster for women's rights.

Boris Johson is not a good leader (to put it mildly) but at the very least he knows what a woman is

What is a woman?

Motorina · 02/06/2022 05:54

mrshoho · 01/06/2022 11:02

Hope to almighty this is not going to happen. Why her? There has to be a better candidate somewhere in that lot?

Who? This is why Boris has survived so long - the lack of a plausible alternative.

mellongoose · 02/06/2022 06:26

It won't be Kemi (sadly). It might be Liz. Penny is possible but doubtful. More likely to be Jeremy Hunt v Liz or Nadhim Zahawi.

teawamutu · 02/06/2022 09:25

aweegc · 02/06/2022 05:17

Strategically, knowing what a woman is is only an advantage if you're needing to gain points against Labour (or, theoretically, another TWAW party).

In the leadership election it's not going to be that much of an issue, because the party aren't that bothered by it.

It may be useful, if not joining the party to vote, to write to Tory MPs making sure they know it IS an issue and a reason for voting Tory.

This is a very good idea.

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teawamutu · 02/06/2022 09:25

Does Jeremy Hunt know what a woman is?

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jgw1 · 02/06/2022 09:27

teawamutu · 02/06/2022 09:25

Does Jeremy Hunt know what a woman is?

What is a woman?

teawamutu · 02/06/2022 09:31

jgw1 · 02/06/2022 09:27

What is a woman?

Adult human female per any decent dictionary, old-fashioned kind with wombs per Ricky Gervais, female of any age per Equality Act 2010.

Not ever a male with ladyfeelz.

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NancyDrawed · 02/06/2022 09:44

jgw1

A woman is......an adult human female.

In the same way as a mare is an adult female horse, a ewe is an adult female sheep etc

Female being 'of the sex class that produces large gametes and gestates young', whether that function works or not.

MarshaBradyo · 02/06/2022 09:46

Was it just her or her in a range of people?

I don’t know much about her but don’t want it be someone who believes this

Not sure why she’s a good bet - do people back her particularly?