Times article suggested Penny Mordaunt as likely replacement for Johnson

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Penny 'TWAW' Mordaunt.

Please god, no...

Ben Wallace?

Great Post @Snugglepumpkin

Ah so some (a small number) of human females have XY chromosomes. Thank you for the clarification.

Ah good, that helps a lot, sex is binary except for people who it is not. Thanks for the clarification.

Human beings are a sexually dimorphic species.
One half are called women & this name was given to those who have XX chromosomes, the other half are men & carry XY chromosomes.

Oh heck I am confused again, because another poster was saying that women are those who could give birth, but that isn't limited to XX.

Just look at the single pair of chromosomes that are define your sex.
It amounts to approx 4.3478% of your genetic material.
I wonder if you have any clue how massive a difference that actually is?
There is about the same amount of genetic differences between humans & apes are there is between male & female humans.

How much of the sex chromosome actually defines which sex you are?

Are you new to this?

Because you are rehashing supposedly clever questions that got laughed out of court years ago.

We, gender critical women, are quite happy to bat such silliness away but you might like to consider the facts: many MN women have jobs in various STEM areas and will give you chapter and verse at the drop of a hat

Be a good chap and stop asking trite questions, presumably thinking you are approaching a Gotcha! All you are approaching is a snigger.

THEIR

See, many people with, and organisations that support people with, DSDs have asked lots of times not to be used like this.

A hiccup in genetic coding does not change the facts that human beings come in 2 sexes.

Just as people with one leg don't change the fact that human beings are bi-pedal.

You really are just rehashing tired old daftness. Even those who lurk will be laughing at you!

If you're still confused, we can't help you. Lots of posters have been gracious enough to spend a lot of time explaining it.

Back to the OP, Con Home has an article outlining who's called on him the go, and the workings of a vote with links to other sources:

www.conservativehome.com/parliament/2022/06/the-26-conservative-mps-who-have-called-on-johnson-to-go.html

It seems utterly unlikely that anything is going to be known until after the Platinum Jubilee, but Tory grandees such as Hague were saying on Tuesday that something seems likely to happen, possibly even next week:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/6dcd07cc-e0c2-11ec-8bdd-c253e043f5f0?shareToken=b6e3c3c6c357f90ecff86e99cb5e2dc8

Lurkingandlaughing might be a good username.

You have to be a member for three months to vote in a leadership election. If you join now you will almost certainly be in time. There will be several weeks of shenanigans before any vote even if BOJO goes tomorrow (which he won’t).
quite a lit riding on this - worth joining and helping give the country some decent leadership.

Just answered my own question. If PM makes the shortlist against a "GC" candidate I will be joining the Conservative Party to vote against her.

It's not the Labour Party. It doesn't work like that.

Are you new to this?

If by that you mean, am I new to trying to understand what people mean when they say something like Boris knows what a woman is, but Penny Mordant does not then yes. I think I have narrowed it down to either an adult human with the anatomy to give birth, or someone who is XX, which of course are not entirely the same thing. It of course may be that different people saying the same thing, mean different things.

Thank you very much for pointing out my grammatical error. I think your contribution @SamphirethePogoingStickerist really adds to this thread.

An adult xx who isn't able to give birth is usually seen as an adult human female with a reproductive problem as opposed to a man who no one would expect to be able to give birth

No, you are still pretending to misunderstand. It's binary. XY people do not produce large gametes, even in the very rare cases where other things have gone wrong in their development and they have some physical characteristics that would normally be found in people with XX chromosomes. Not functioning ovaries, though, and therefore not eggs. That's just not going to happen Disorders in a few people do not change that there is a binary, in the same way as people who are missing other parts of their anatomy through chromosomal errors are still human, and don't change the characteristics that humans typically have.

It might be rare, but some XY people do produce large gametes.

See for example.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2190741/

It might be rare but some people are born with 6 fingers

Humans have 5 fingers on each hand, 2 legs , 2 arms, one head

It might be rare but some people are born deaf. Humans still have 5 senses , hearing sight touch taste and smell

Sometimes things aren't quite right. It can be distressing to those people
Because they know there is something wrong, something that is observable by others who can also see something wrong

If it's not complicated for them why do you want to make it so ?

Sex is binary - baby makers and baby havers and people who can't do one or the other are real humans with feelings not sone hypothetical creature to muse over

That's mosaicism/chimerism, and it's the same paper that gets trotted out all the time as a gotcha, and no one I've spoken to has ever produced a different one.

A sample of one isn't particularly reliable, I'd question its veracity if it can't be repeated. Sex is about gametes. This is a woman with functioning ovaries, vagina and female reproductive organs, not a male despite the presence of XY cells. The important part for reproduction is not XY, because XY sex organs do not produce ova.

Can people just ignore @jgw1 as I was interested in this thread before they started derailing it with yawn-worthy input

Fair point.

If the 100,000 genome project turns up further examples, would your view change?

I thought the topic of the thread was the strange notion that some people know what a woman is, and others do not. I apologise if I was mistaken.

What has Liz Truss done/not done that would make Penny Mordaunt a more favourable candidate?