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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Times article suggested Penny Mordaunt as likely replacement for Johnson

94 replies

teawamutu · 01/06/2022 10:09

Penny 'TWAW' Mordaunt.

Please god, no...

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jgw1 · 02/06/2022 10:59

NancyDrawed · 02/06/2022 09:44

jgw1

A woman is......an adult human female.

In the same way as a mare is an adult female horse, a ewe is an adult female sheep etc

Female being 'of the sex class that produces large gametes and gestates young', whether that function works or not.

I am a little confused by your definition. By female do you mean an adult with XX chromosomes? Or those who produce large gametes which of course includes some who are XY.

ResisterRex · 02/06/2022 11:10

Gosh there are a fair few pigeons about these days all of a sudden

teawamutu · 02/06/2022 11:17

ResisterRex · 02/06/2022 11:10

Gosh there are a fair few pigeons about these days all of a sudden

Aren't there?

The faux-naif bit is always the giveaway, I find.

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KatVonlabonk · 02/06/2022 11:18

She recently met and tweeted about meeting Sharron Davis on the sports issue. I think she is moving her position and I also think we need to leave a golden bridge.
I know it's hard, given what women have been through, but it is all about politics. Let politicians change their minds. This is what we want.

ResisterRex · 02/06/2022 11:25

That's interesting Kat. Does she have a marginal seat..? If so, she might have another reason to start shifting position. As ever though - deeds not words.

NancyDrawed · 02/06/2022 12:05

jgw1

You are not confused at all - you are trying to bring people with dsd conditions in to try to make it seem as if sex isn't binary.

Woman = adult human female was perfectly adequate until about 5 minutes ago, when all of a sudden people started to pretend that they couldn't possibly tell who was male and who was female.

You asked me, 'what is a woman?' and I answered.

As you don't understand my answer, please do enlighten me as to what your answer to the same question would be.

jgw1 · 02/06/2022 13:34

NancyDrawed · 02/06/2022 12:05

jgw1

You are not confused at all - you are trying to bring people with dsd conditions in to try to make it seem as if sex isn't binary.

Woman = adult human female was perfectly adequate until about 5 minutes ago, when all of a sudden people started to pretend that they couldn't possibly tell who was male and who was female.

You asked me, 'what is a woman?' and I answered.

As you don't understand my answer, please do enlighten me as to what your answer to the same question would be.

Is sex binary for all animals?

Fluffymule · 02/06/2022 14:01

I know the leader doesn't have to come from the current Cabinet, but it's interesting to look at the attached current league table showing net satisfaction ratings of Cabinet and Key party members within the Conservative party membership - according to Conservative Home. They run the poll each month.

Times article suggested Penny Mordaunt as likely replacement for Johnson
Cuck00soup · 02/06/2022 14:02

Humans are not animals. Women are not clownfish.

Woman are the adult human females some unkind people think shouldn't be allowed their own safe spaces.

Nadim Zahawi, Sajid Khan and Liz Truss get it. Whether Jeremy Hunt does is an interesting question.

jgw1 · 02/06/2022 14:06

Cuck00soup · 02/06/2022 14:02

Humans are not animals. Women are not clownfish.

Woman are the adult human females some unkind people think shouldn't be allowed their own safe spaces.

Nadim Zahawi, Sajid Khan and Liz Truss get it. Whether Jeremy Hunt does is an interesting question.

What makes someone female?

Signalbox · 02/06/2022 14:07

Humans are not animals

What are they if they are not animals?

jgw1 · 02/06/2022 14:07

Signalbox · 02/06/2022 14:07

Humans are not animals

What are they if they are not animals?

Aliens I presume.

Feelingoktoday · 02/06/2022 14:09

jgw1 · 02/06/2022 13:34

Is sex binary for all animals?

Here we go again. Someone thinking they are clever. Woman is the same definition we have understood for many many years.

Signalbox · 02/06/2022 14:10

What makes someone female?

Why don't you go and look in a text book if you want to know so badly.

1dayatatime · 02/06/2022 14:11

Rightsraptor · 01/06/2022 10:55

Penny 'chocolate teapot' Mordaunt? Please God - no.

What's she done of late (ever?) to merit inclusion in the list of possibles for the greatest office of state? Tell me, someone. One thing. Just one.

One thing?

The one thing she has been getting right it to have done absolutely nothing. Which given the piss poor / incompetent alternative candidates means she has been getting absolutely nothing wrong.

MagnoliaTaint · 02/06/2022 14:14

Is sex binary for all animals?

Are friends electric?

What starsign is Dolly the Sheep?

What does other animals' reproductive system have to do with humans?

Sex is dichotomous for humans. That's it.

academic.oup.com/edrv/article/42/3/219/6159361

jgw1 · 02/06/2022 14:27

Signalbox · 02/06/2022 14:10

What makes someone female?

Why don't you go and look in a text book if you want to know so badly.

It is interesting, there are very many textbooks on this and there definitions do not all agree.
What I am interested in is whether those who go on about Boris or whoever knowing what a woman is, what they actually mean.
So far on this thread no one has been able to tell me.

Signalbox · 02/06/2022 14:39

jgw1 · 02/06/2022 14:27

It is interesting, there are very many textbooks on this and there definitions do not all agree.
What I am interested in is whether those who go on about Boris or whoever knowing what a woman is, what they actually mean.
So far on this thread no one has been able to tell me.

It is quite clear that the people on this thread who say "at least Boris knows what a woman is" mean that a woman is an adult human female. They do not think that an adult human male who "identifies" as a woman is a woman. The people on this thread are not confused by the definition. If you can't comprehend this meaning then there is not much more any of us can do to help you out really.

NancyDrawed · 02/06/2022 14:42

A woman is an adult human female, as has been said by me and others on this thread.
A man is an adult human male.

What is your definition of woman jgw1, if you don't understand the definition that has been given?

jgw1 · 02/06/2022 14:47

Signalbox · 02/06/2022 14:39

It is quite clear that the people on this thread who say "at least Boris knows what a woman is" mean that a woman is an adult human female. They do not think that an adult human male who "identifies" as a woman is a woman. The people on this thread are not confused by the definition. If you can't comprehend this meaning then there is not much more any of us can do to help you out really.

Yes, yes, quite clear that a woman is an adult female.
What then does female mean?

becausetrampslikeus · 02/06/2022 14:50

Female ( in respect of mammals )

Of the class that ( at the expected age and conditions , body working as expected ) gives birth

Signalbox · 02/06/2022 15:00

What then does female mean?

Magnolia Taint already helpfully linked you to an article that might help you with your comprehension. You really should stop being so entitled and expecting people on here to spoon feed you with answers.

ResisterRex · 02/06/2022 15:14

I wonder if Zahawi might be a contender - in the event there is a confidence vote and Boris doesn't survive it. He positioned himself quite well over the Warwick business for example. The schools guidance is yet to come but he's more or less said all the right things there (pretty sure he quickly rowed back from the "trans child" words in that Times article).

Javid has said he will go further on the Cass Review by ordering that other review. Like the schools guidance though, we sit and wait.

Javid and Zahawi are both unlikely to be touched by the covid inquiry. They'll want a leader who won't be criticised in that. It's possible that Javid would be but he came in towards the end, and that Christmas lockdown didn't happen.

We don't have any political heavyweights any more in any parties, which is a great shame. There's no one who gives a rousing speech or has clear principles they stick to. I'd like that in at least one of our political leaders, which doesn't seem too much to ask?!

BotCrossHuns · 02/06/2022 15:33

jgw1 · 02/06/2022 10:59

I am a little confused by your definition. By female do you mean an adult with XX chromosomes? Or those who produce large gametes which of course includes some who are XY.

Even in the very very small group of edge cases where there are problems with development, someone with XY chromosomes is not going to end up with ovaries that produce large gametes. You might get a very small number of XY-individuals who have some of the external (and possibly some internal) characteristics of women, but not functional ovaries. It's extremely rare, and not at all a typical presentation of a transwoman with XY chromosomes who wants to present as a women, if that is what you are indirectly pretending to believe. The fact that there are a few people whose development is disordered does not change the fact that sex is binary.

Snugglepumpkin · 02/06/2022 16:05

@jgw1

We are not other animals so they are irrelevant to the point you are failing to make.
DSDs are also completely irrelevant to your definition & have nothing to do with the topic of gender ideology.
Those people are not transpeople, they are just people who have a DSD which is a completely different thing.

Human beings are a sexually dimorphic species.
One half are called women & this name was given to those who have XX chromosomes, the other half are men & carry XY chromosomes.

Humans have not developed mutations that allow them to switch from one sex to the other by the use of drugs, surgery, environmental factors or wishful thinking.
Whatever they do, they remain the sex that was determined at conception.

Gender used to be a normal word that tended to be used as a more polite way of defining the sex of a human.
Now it's used as a fantasy signifier of what some people want to force others to pretend, based on nothing but soft science twaddle.

This intentional corruption of the meaning of a sex based word has been used to try to cloud the issue for the hard of thinking.
It doesn't work.
Just like religion, one can say they are a follower of that belief system without actually changing the reality of their biological sex.

People now define gender as being something other than an indicator of sex, so your gender does not determine your sexual classification.
A biological man remains a biological man & a biological woman remains a biological woman no matter how they identify.
You cannot identify into a sex class.

Hard (aka real) science, where facts matter, continues to prove that Gender, as the word is used nowadays, is a load of unscientific nonsense founded on ideology rather than reality.

Just look at the single pair of chromosomes that are define your sex.
It amounts to approx 4.3478% of your genetic material.
I wonder if you have any clue how massive a difference that actually is?
There is about the same amount of genetic differences between humans & apes are there is between male & female humans.

There is no experiment (that I know of) that can be repeated successfully in a lab to show that this pair of chromosomes which determine sex in human beings who have already been conceived, can be manipulated into changing an X into a Y or a Y into an X.

There is no widespread mutation present in the human gene pool, common enough to be borne by every person who says they are 'trans', that has been identified as being related to what you think of as Gender.
There is a big enough sample with all the shouty people on Twitter etc... that it should have been easy to find if it existed.

Even if there was a 'gender gene', it still would not change the reality of the genetic sex you are at the point of conception.

Leave out the intellectual wankery that defines the soft sciences, even if they have tried to shove in some stats to make it look like real science.
None of it proves anything & it relies on interpretation which is subject to personal bias.

Show everyone your repeatable results that demonstrate this with hard data from reputable research facilities to dispute this, or stop pretending that you don't know the words woman & man have been used for centuries to define the two distinct & immutable sexes in humans.

Reality doesn't care about peoples feelings.

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