Anti-trans spin from RMW

Crazylazydayz · 2022-05-31T21:09:47+00:00

There is a difference between being supporting women’s rights and anti-trans. In this article RMW is misrepresenting a whole raft of women who are fighting for women’s rights as being anti trans. https://novaramedia.com/2022/05/31/a-barrister-explains-why-employment-tribunals-are-a-new-trans-rights-battlefield/

Mollyollydolly · 31/05/2022 22:14

I'm surprised to see that interview when the case is still ongoing and RMW is involved.

CompleteGinasaur · 31/05/2022 22:16

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Mollyollydolly · 31/05/2022 22:16

True.

CompleteGinasaur · 31/05/2022 22:17

Sorry, 'they'.

Redshoeblueshoe · 31/05/2022 22:19

Yes RW was involved - they prepared the bundle - you know the one - that no one can follow.
Seems a bit wrong to do this when the tribunal isn't over.

ZandathePanda · 31/05/2022 22:20

Is this allowed? I didn’t think they could talk about the case - isn’t there a summing up bit in late June?

TheBiologyStupid · 31/05/2022 22:21

What a shockingly one-sided article, and no mention from RMW about what prompted Allison Bailey to add Stonewall to the case. Disingenuous and disgraceful doesn't begin to cover it. I REALLY hope that AB wins her tribunal and puts them back in their place.

endofagain · 31/05/2022 22:21

I think it is a bit questionable ethically and professionally tbh, given that the person is professionally involved and the case is ongoing. I wonder if the judge is aware?

CompleteGinasaur · 31/05/2022 22:23

Yes. When the burden of your opposition's case consists of demonstrating that the trans politics of the organisation you represent are misogynistic, self righteous and discriminatory it seems a bit counterproductive to give an interview demonstrating those qualities in spades..

Plasmodesmata · 31/05/2022 22:23

What Mollyollydolly said. I am not a lawyer so I don't know if commenting in this way on ongoing cases is something that is normal / advisable though.

FOJN · 31/05/2022 22:27

I wouldn't expect balance from Novaramedia.

MMBaranova · 31/05/2022 22:28

Depends what on earth 'trans' is.

I'm doing my best to not use the word, and ask for clarification when others do in face to face conversation. It blurs things. So I try to use / clarify whether transexual, transnistrian, transgender, transalpine or whatever is meant. As I type this my father is transpyrenees trans.

TheBiologyStupid · 31/05/2022 22:29

CompleteGinasaur · 31/05/2022 22:23

Yes. When the burden of your opposition's case consists of demonstrating that the trans politics of the organisation you represent are misogynistic, self righteous and discriminatory it seems a bit counterproductive to give an interview demonstrating those qualities in spades..

Yup, it will serve RMW right if they find themselves on the wrong side of the questioning and having to call on their mother, dog, friend, and the rest of the entourage for support.

pombear · 31/05/2022 22:34

This article needs the Jane Clare Jones multi-coloured pens of doom all over it, it's so inaccurate and wrong. Waves to RMW who I'm sure will have popped over to see our response to it.

Penguintears · 31/05/2022 22:35

A lot of misrepresentation there. Also the surprising statement that RW thinks anyone seeing them in real life would be in no doubt as to their gender. I think that's true but not in the way that RW thinks...

Rightsraptor · 31/05/2022 22:35

I'm not a lawyer either but does sub-judice apply to civil cases? However, I'd say it's ill-advised for one of the legal teams to weigh in with their opinions at this stage.

Pluvia · 31/05/2022 22:36

Can it really be appropriate for a person so prominently involved in a major case to be commenting while the tribunal's still out? And will such a display of irrational partisanship really advance RMW's career? Would you wish to engage a barrister who is so focussed on their side of the argument that they fail to see the other pov and its evidence, or how ridiculous they sound. Not sure this is a clever move.

pombear · 31/05/2022 22:37

"They’re made up of a loud (and often public-facing) minority"
Not sure about that minority, Moya, once we detail the actual issue!
'Often public-facing'? What are we meant to do, face the wall with such disgraceful thinking such as 'biological sex is immutable' and hide away from the public!

ThomasPenman · 31/05/2022 22:37

Oh my god, did anyone else notice this? RMW made it so that any male abuser can access his female victim's telephone banking with HSBC.

"I’d ring HSBC trying to access to the account of Robin Moira White, and the operator would think I was a fraudster. I’d get, ‘Oh, really?’. It was getting boring, frankly. So one day I happened to be passing HSBC’s call centre and I paid them a visit. Someone quite senior came to talk to me and listened. I got a phone call the following day, and within 48 hours they’d changed the training of their call handlers to tell them that there are people whose voices don’t sound the way you might expect, and that if they can answer the security questions, they can access their account."

AlisonDonut · 31/05/2022 22:37

Oh, here we go.

pombear · 31/05/2022 22:39

"Binding them is an inexplicable opposition – in many cases, what feels closer to virulent hatred – to the existence of trans people"

Why this incessant insistence that we think people who identify as trans don't exist?

Helleofabore · 31/05/2022 22:39

Penguintears · 31/05/2022 22:35

A lot of misrepresentation there. Also the surprising statement that RW thinks anyone seeing them in real life would be in no doubt as to their gender. I think that's true but not in the way that RW thinks...

It is definitely true that people will identify both sex and the gender they identify as.

And such a powerful voice too, on multiple levels.

AlisonDonut · 31/05/2022 22:39

Pluvia · 31/05/2022 22:36

Can it really be appropriate for a person so prominently involved in a major case to be commenting while the tribunal's still out? And will such a display of irrational partisanship really advance RMW's career? Would you wish to engage a barrister who is so focussed on their side of the argument that they fail to see the other pov and its evidence, or how ridiculous they sound. Not sure this is a clever move.

The rules that most people stick to out of curtesy do not apply to special people, I thought you knew that?

Helleofabore · 31/05/2022 22:41

Why this incessant insistence that we think people who identify as trans don't exist?

Adds to the victimisation aspect. And spreads fear amongst already vulnerable people.

pombear · 31/05/2022 22:42

"If you allow trans people to play a full part in society, that involves the workplace"
"But secondly, we are now having questions about the extent to which one can express those rights in the workplace"

Hmm - what does this mean? Wearing what clothes you like to enable you to express how you like to dress? Or does it mean something more akin to the women's toilet's on a Sainsbury's saturday shop type-of expressing those rights?