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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

How to challenge drag queen story time

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Sorcha69 · 26/05/2022 20:21

My local library is going to be doing this and I would like some pointers on how to challenge this.
How have others approached this?
Thanks

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Sorcha69 · 27/05/2022 07:01

No one?

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Whirlygiggles · 27/05/2022 07:24

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PurgatoryOfPotholes · 27/05/2022 07:49

Is it the one in this thread? It's all the same man, if so.

Check out some of the stuff posted already. www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4552524-drag-queen-story-hour-summer-library-tour

Ameanstreakamilewide · 27/05/2022 07:54

I was given the brush off when I raised it with the British Library and most of the other orgs who run them just don't want to know.

If anything, they just double down and attempt to defend their position by calling us all transphobes, blah, blah, blah.
Same old, same old...

I was even called offensive for raising safeguarding around grooming. 🤨

ChagSameachDoreen · 27/05/2022 08:23

Put together a list of regular LGB people who are excelling in their field and contributing to society. Suggest that the library invites them instead, as representatives of the community. That's true diversity. Not some bloke in fishnets.

FeminismAndCake · 27/05/2022 08:24

If your area has any diversity of population I would point out the indirect discrimination in how this event alienates and excludes Muslim populations.

PaleBlueMoonlight · 27/05/2022 09:17

Apparently there is one coming my way. I cannot find mention of it though. Will need to keep watching out as I would also like to lodge my objection

Toseland · 27/05/2022 09:53

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Toseland · 27/05/2022 09:55

We should really be protesting outside each event.

zanahoria · 27/05/2022 10:15

How about simply on cost?

What is the point of shelling out for a drag queen when a librarian or a volunteer could read the books?

The make up alone must be pricey

Sorcha69 · 27/05/2022 10:30

Thanks for the replies. Cost wise I believe the council are paying 450. ..that's 3 storytimes at different libraries.

Diversity in my area is poor....dq in question is aida h dee....however , apparently they now have more than one performer....not sure who is actually doing g it.

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DelilahT · 28/05/2022 09:19

You don't need to challenge them.

lookforthesun · 28/05/2022 09:20

Hello,
I was dismayed to see that you are supporting and hosting a drag queen in the library. In an era where we are meant to be progressively breaking down stereotypes - this damaging and offensive parody of women is out-dated and unacceptable.

Blackface/brownface/yellowface is rightly condemned. Many people feel the same about "womenface" or men dressing up in women's clothing purely to demonstrate sexist stereotypes for a laugh. It is equivalent to cultural appropriation or the way in which white people have mocked black people, Asian people, Indigenous people, and pretty much every other race/ethnicity that isn’t theirs, under the guise of “performance” or “satire.” Why is it funny or entertaining for men to mock women via drag?

This is not about transgender or LBTQ rights.
Drag queens are not women, nor do they purport to be women. The very definition of a drag queen is a man parodying a woman.
It is a man turning women into extreme, cartoonish caricatures that are to be mocked. There is a reason women don’t do this to men — and that is society doesn’t see men or masculinity as something amusing or to be joked about.

I am fully behind libraries supporting gay/lesbian rights etc but to host a drag event is a regressive, offensive act.
Drag does not belong in 2022 and a public library is not the place for men to ridicule, mock, and appropriate femininity. I hope you will reconsider the message about women that you want to send to the local children. We can do better than to promote sexist stereotypes and ridicule of women in the name of entertainment.

Kind regards

tuedday · 28/05/2022 09:21

Get some GC friends together and set up a protest outside the library.

Waynemw · 28/05/2022 10:56

Why? If you don’t like it don’t go. Let other parents make that choice you don’t have the right to make decisions for other people just make them for your own

Waynemw · 28/05/2022 10:58

there are women who do drag and there are women who are drag kings so ur point is little invalid

RoyalCorgi · 28/05/2022 11:03

Waynemw · 28/05/2022 10:56

Why? If you don’t like it don’t go. Let other parents make that choice you don’t have the right to make decisions for other people just make them for your own

We all pay council tax so we have a right to comment on whether the council is spending our money appropriately or inappropriately.

And as a general point, do we have the right to interfere in other parents' choices? Yes, we do, if we believe that the parent is making a choice that is actively harming a child.

BanjoVio · 28/05/2022 11:05

Sorry, I don’t see the issue. What’s wrong with drag queens? Sounds like fun to me.

Mcduffy · 28/05/2022 11:08

I told my local women's charity that I wasn't attending as I didn't think a drag queen was suitable for very young children (I support them financially) and got a snippy reply back that feminism was all about women's rights to choose Hmm I had framed it nicely and said I wanted to tell them rather than just not show up, so they knew the reason. Won't bother donating again.

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 28/05/2022 13:05

Waynemw · 28/05/2022 10:56

Why? If you don’t like it don’t go. Let other parents make that choice you don’t have the right to make decisions for other people just make them for your own

My county library has had a shortfall in the budget and has cut back opening hours, leaving those who are dependent on the library for internet access in the shit. This is happening up and down the country.

So if parents want to take the child to see a drag queen reading a story, maybe they should do it out of their own budget, not the library budget. £450 would buy a few books.

Fairislefandango · 28/05/2022 13:14

Fgs. You'd think the fact that this 'artiste' is called 'aida h dee' would be a clue that genuine inclusivity and support of diverse people are not what's really at the top of this agenda. So many drag names are off-colour jokes at the expense of others. Good for you for wanting to complain, OP.

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 28/05/2022 13:23

Waynemw · 28/05/2022 10:58

there are women who do drag and there are women who are drag kings so ur point is little invalid

It seems that you've not engaged much on FWR topics to date.

Welcome, I'd invite you to put this into your preferred search engine to have a sense of MN FWR's familiarity with drag kings and related matters.

site:mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights drag kings

lanadelgrey · 28/05/2022 13:29

If I had time or energy then I’d be creating an organisation to provide storytimes for children in libraries and then recruit all sorts of people, firefighters, wheelchair users, the local imam/rabbi, grandparents, wheelchair users, charity types, business people, the Lord Mayor. And also to go into schools etc so relevant to every characteristic. Just an idea? There will be earmarked budgets for diversity initiatives which the current offering and some good marketing has tapped into.

ElenaSt · 28/05/2022 13:34

Who in their right mind would allow their child to attend this utter grossness?

If I had young children I think I would attend (on my own) just to see which parents and kids have gone to participate and make sure my own children steered clear of them in future.

Shakeupandwakeup · 28/05/2022 13:50

Are you serious that the Drag Queens command £450 a visit for story telling? Everyone else does it for free, including children's authors! Given that many librarians are now volunteers and would probably welcome £450 for a week's hard work, it seems odd that such a high fee is given just so someone can wear fishnets while they read. I don't get the USP. And I do tend to share the opinion that drag is today what blackface was in 70s.

If I were choosing to boycott it, I'd start with checking claims about its organiser possessing child porn. If that is true, (no idea if it is - just saw comments on another thread) I'd be outside with a banner letting parents know so they could make an informed choice about whether or not to support such an organisation.